Irritated by continuous flare-ups

[TJR87]

Hello to you all,

I have run 2 cycles of TEST E ONLY at 500mg/wk split up into 2 shots (Axio Labs). These cycles went great as far as my personal goals were concerned, but I must be doing something wrong and I cannot figure out what that something is.

My first cycle, I wanted to test myself to see how sensitive my nipple area would be with the added testosterone, so I did not run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). However, I had a ridiculous amount of GP Nolva pills and Letro within my reach.

At week 6-7 in my cycle, I started getting puffy nips and noticed a ton of bloat, not just in my face but all over, obviously my body was sensitive to the testosterone. I wanted to finish my 10 week cycle off so I just started taking 40mg of Nolva to make an attempt at putting the nipple issue to an end, lowering to 20mg a day. I did not really see the bloat as a huge issue.

The puffy nips did not get any worse, but did not get any better by the end of the cycle. I did not have lumps so I did not want to run Letro because its sooooo damn harsh. Just to be safe I ran some Letro, ended up feeling horrible and it did not seem to help much.

Continuing with my original PCT for 5 weeks using only Nolva fixed my concerns.

My second cycle, I kept in mind how sensitive I am to test and ran Aromasin at 12.5 mg ed, along with all the basic support supplements. Mulit, BCAA, Fish Oil.

Week 6-7 rolls on through and my nips are not only getting puffy, lumps developed. It felt like I had a small marble inside. But no bloat at all. I upped my Aromasin to 25mg a day and added 40mg of Nolva deciding it was best not to continue with my cycle.

I am just now finishing up my PCT with 20mg of Nolva and 25mg of Aromasin which will be cut off in a couple days leaving Nolva only. The lumps are probably 85 - 90 percent gone now.

How does this happen when running an AI? I have reviewed others cycles and just cannot figure out whats going on. Am I doing something wrong or forgetting something? Everything goes back to normal after post cycle therapy (pct), on cycle is my issue.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

your just really sensitive. I would suggest running non aromatizing AAS as the base of my cycle. and add 150-200 test and still take an ai.

 

[slowjamcdub]

TJR87 you could try tossing some Proviron (mesterolone) is there as well. Proviron is 5-alpha reduced and not capable of forming estrogen, and also has a very high affinity for binding to the aromatase enzyme (the enzyme responsible for converting all that good testosterone in your body into all that nasty estrogen). That means if you choose to take proviron with testosterone (and I know you wouldn´t even be doing a cycle without including some form of testosterone) and/or any aromatizable steroid, it should actually serve to prevent estrogen build up by the aforementioned binding to the aromatase enzyme, which prevents aromatase from doing it´s dirty work and making a bunch of estrogen out of the other steroids you are taking.

 

[slowjamcdub]

oak what do you think would be the best non aromatizing AAS to run as a base for over all mass and no gyno??? Equipoise???

 

[557mustang]

You will have a tough battle ahead of you with gyno. I have finally talked with a surgeon, he's gonna remove the glands in a couple of months. Like I said, gyno is a tough battle

 

[Teutonic]

slow jam..nicely done..I love a lil proviron with any cycle25-50 a day good call
557..atta boy..both mine are gone now for almost20 years..it ll be tender..and do not fuck up it up with early lifting or stretching the pec..you can t tell mine were cut..can you ????
I wish you well OP and 557

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

oak what do you think would be the best non aromatizing AAS to run as a base for over all mass and no gyno??? Equipoise???

Eq, deca, primo, tren.

these are all low or non aromatasing.

i would try test 150 and deca 600 on a bulk.

 

[slowjamcdub]

Teutonic you cant tell at all. I hope mine never gets to that point but if it ever does is the surgery costly? How many cycles did it take for your gyno to get bad, I know everyone is different I just like to hear peoples story about it.

 

[TJR87]

Thanks for all your info here people. I've been busy with work and have not been able to check back for a few days.

I agree, gyno is a very tough battle and a huge pain in the ass. I will read up on throwing in some Proviron down the road slowjam, I wont be running another cycle for a good 6+ months. And yes, you are correct, test MUST be in every cycle. Lost the sex drive once from some Superdrol a while back, long story short, the girl never talked to me again lol.
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OAK, when you say throw in about 150mg of test and 600mg of deca, that brings up the possibility of progesterone (I think?) induced gyno as a possible side, opposed to estrogen induced gyno, does it not? I think the same applies to tren as well if I remember correctly, not sure about the other two in your list.

I only bring that up because what has saved me from my last to incidents is a long PCT using nolva the first time, and a long PCT using nolva and aromasin the second time.

If the other type of gyno becomes an issue, nolva, aromasin, arimidex, and letro become a lost cause in the fight against that type of gyno. I know there are other measures that can be taken to aid in that situation, but I have no idea if I will react as well to those as I do to nolva. Worries me some...

I really hate to put things like this, but my friends are idiots. Only 1 other guy I know does his research while the others come to me for advice or run something and deal with issues later unprepared. That is part of the reason I was so stocked up on nolva, they had not even planned out a post cycle therapy (pct). I knew they would be coming to me later, which they did and now its time to get more nolva.

Finding a solution to my situation is a lot harder when everyone around me has no idea what they are doing.

Obviously the key is catching your gyno symptoms in time with the right army, otherwise I would be screwed right now. A friend of mine has some golf balls from past pro-hormone cycles or so he says.... I am unsure, and that is a constant reminder to me.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

prolactin gyno is much less likely that estrogen gyno. some also believe that you have to have high estrogen in order to get prolactin gyno.

 

[Sobot]

Is prolactin gyno when you have dripping nipples or do you get it even when you have sensitivity around nipples??

How can some one differentiate from progesterone/prolactin gyno and estrogen gyno??

And i mean b4 reaching the point of lactating?

What works better for progesterone/prolactin gyno??

and what do you take when you have high estrone/estradiol/progesterone and prolactin??

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

you need a dopamine agonist for prolactin gyno. progesterone iunduced gyno is recognized by lactating nipples. prami/dostinex is what you should look in to

 

[Sobot]

Thats the thing, i dont have lactating nipples yet, but i have no sensitivity in my penis, numb genitals, no feeling of good orgasms nothing. I had prolactin levels always at the highest margin of normal around 20 mg/dl. But now i don't know if my nipple sensitivity and aches and those small weird lumps i feel are from estradiol levels which are over the top or from progesterone and prolactin??

I started aromasin, 12.5 mg/day i just want to see if adding dostinex is the right thing to do or not. Just want to be on the right track and save my testicles from their atrophy, because i also have very low 5-ar II activity and aromatse is hyperactive

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

just because you do not have lactating nipples does not mean that your prolactin is not high. you could have estro gyno and your prolactin is high.

I would run aromasin @ 25mg ED. You will have to do your research on caber cause I have never used it, although i think you would benefit from it.