Is Clenbuterol for me? Specific concern

[jadew]

Hi all,

I'm aware there have been several posts on Clen, but I really need some tailored advice and don't want to hi-jack someone else's thread.
I just want to know if clen is suitable for me or not, as increasing the dosage daily seems quite scary.

My stats are:

body fat: 27%
skeletal muscle: 32.2%
BMI: 22.7
Visceral fat: 4
Weight: 61.9kg / 9st 7lbs
Resting metabolism: 1348 cal

I was a gymnast from age 9 - 15 (now 25) and wear a size 8 - 10 (but frequently becoming just a 10). I'm also 5'5"


The above info was given to me by my PT so I don't fully understand what it means. I sound slim but I have a very petite frame so feel like I'm carrying a lot of weight even though I'm only a small dress size.

Because I don't have huge amounts to lose, I'm finding it difficult to lose any weight and tone up - I really want that cut, fitness look.


My main concern, however, is that I'm half white and half Chinese. I've been told by two doctors that Chinese people are affected more by alcohol and drugs and if, perhaps, someone Pat the same mix experienced MDMA and weed, I have a strong hunch that it would affect them WAY more than their friends, as would alcohol (eek).

So should I be taking this at all? Should I start on a half dosage than what women usually would?
Also do I have to do a 'stack'? would rather just take one thing if possible

Thanks in advance for any advice! It's difficult to find any info online regarding my specific concern.


-Jadew

 

[Blink192]

Clen isnt the magical pill that's gonna burn fat. A caloric deficit and how many calories exactly your taking in will determine your ability to lose fat. Clen may help slightly, but without counting your calories it's literally useless.

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

First of all - welcome to the board

Clen is only useful for women looking to lose those last few pounds of fat, basically women with a body fat (bf) % of 15 or below.
It gives your metabolism a 10% boost but stops working after 2 weeks so it isn't really ideal for people looking to lose more than a few pounds.

The stuff your doctor told you can be expressed by this emoji -

My advice would be to fix your diet & training routine to help you lose the fat, then once you get close to 15% you can consider adding the clen.
As a coach to alot of female competitors, I recommend you hire 3J - he's a diet expert and has helped many women transform themselves so send him an email and see what he can do for you:
3JDIET@GMAIL.COM

 

[SamSport]

yeah your doctor is fuckd up lol, I can see you being more affected by alcohol and drugs because you're not weighting heavy, but it has nothing to do with the country you come from, thats a bunch of bs; definatly use the clen when lower BF... its really not that magical to be honest, 10% does make a difference but its not day and night, gotta have your diet dialed in

 

[jadew]

I've actually been told that by a paramedic too (in passing conversation) but it's not a huge concern, just something I wanted to clear up.

Currently I'm consuming 1400 calories and doing a HIIT circuit four times a week. My diet is 90% clean as I've been doing meal prep... I'm just not seeing any results :/
How long should it take? I was thinking 4 weeks to notice an initial difference?

 

[anzel]

A month is a pretty short amnt of time. I know your in a rush, we all are, but in the end its not sensible . Thin long term here. Just keep at it, and maybe tweak things here or there and give it a week or two and then re-assess your situation.

 

[JimiThing]

Guys you are wrong. Asians have different levels of the cyp enzymes that metabolize most drugs from your system. They are more susceptible to the "grapefruit juice"effect where GFJ lowers the abilty to metabolize certain drugs increasing the likihood of overdose potential of certain meds etc. Dont say shit if you dont know its true calling BS on a DR when in fact if you really knew you would realize he is correct. Im just saying be careful what you tell someone if you dont know it yourself for sure.
OP clen is not a joke, it has serious sides that make it unbearable to some tha use it. It also isnt a magic fat burning solution, it is an aid. I would take things as far as you can naturally and then if you hit a plateau perhaos consider albuterol. It is similar to clen but has a shorter duration and reduced sides. It is slightly less effective at fatburning but the sides reduction is worth it and also it is a better ergogenic aid, improving your performance in the gym which IMO makes up for the slightly less fatburning effects allowing for similar results in the end as far as fatloss but much better as far as a lack of sides goes.

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

I've actually been told that by a paramedic too (in passing conversation) but it's not a huge concern, just something I wanted to clear up.

Currently I'm consuming 1400 calories and doing a HIIT circuit four times a week. My diet is 90% clean as I've been doing meal prep... I'm just not seeing any results :/
How long should it take? I was thinking 4 weeks to notice an initial difference?

1400 calories is a modest deficit, somewhere around 25% so I wouldn't expect rapid results.
You can always switch it up to a keto style diet for 1250cals (keep protein high) or go for a carb cycling routine such as 1000/1250/2000 cal rotated over 3 days.
All this is based on how you feel on diets, if your someone who's subsceptible to cravings and such then avoid low carb solutions. It will take you longer to lose the fat, but at least you wont jump off the diet completely.

If this is info overload then let me know, or you can post up your diet & macros so I can make suggestions as to how you can speed things up.

Also, how are you tracking your progress?
The weight scale alone is very unreliable so calipers? Hip/waist measurements?

Guys you are wrong. Asians have different levels of the cyp enzymes that metabolize most drugs from your system. They are more susceptible to the "grapefruit juice"effect where GFJ lowers the abilty to metabolize certain drugs increasing the likihood of overdose potential of certain meds etc. Dont say shit if you dont know its true calling BS on a DR when in fact if you really knew you would realize he is correct. Im just saying be careful what you tell someone if you dont know it yourself for sure.
OP clen is not a joke, it has serious sides that make it unbearable to some tha use it. It also isnt a magic fat burning solution, it is an aid. I would take things as far as you can naturally and then if you hit a plateau perhaos consider albuterol. It is similar to clen but has a shorter duration and reduced sides. It is slightly less effective at fatburning but the sides reduction is worth it and also it is a better ergogenic aid, improving your performance in the gym which IMO makes up for the slightly less fatburning effects allowing for similar results in the end as far as fatloss but much better as far as a lack of sides goes.

Great info on the enzymes Jimi, but does it apply to a half/half split like the OP? Because if it doesnt then the doctor was guessing rather than testing to see if it really is the case.
I'm prejudice when it comes to docs since my experience with most of them has lead to believe they know very little about nutrition, body recomposition, etc.
However, I'm also man enough to admit when I'm wrong

As for albuterol: I have experimented with every thermogenic/appettite suppressant known (and unknown) and for me, albuterol is a poor sub for clen.
Let's not pretend that its got similar fat burning effects due to improved gym performance - it doesnt. Your not using any fat whatsoever when your in the gym, so no it doesnt provide sinilar end results.
Safer? Yes. Less sides? Sure. Better thermogenic? No. Better for overall fat loss? Nope.
If I want to go for a less effective sub, I'll pick ephedrine - no cycling needed for thermogenic benefits.

 

[JimiThing]

1400 calories is a modest deficit, somewhere around 25% so I wouldn't expect rapid results.
You can always switch it up to a keto style diet for 1250cals (keep protein high) or go for a carb cycling routine such as 1000/1250/2000 cal rotated over 3 days.
All this is based on how you feel on diets, if your someone who's subsceptible to cravings and such then avoid low carb solutions. It will take you longer to lose the fat, but at least you wont jump off the diet completely.

If this is info overload then let me know, or you can post up your diet & macros so I can make suggestions as to how you can speed things up.

Also, how are you tracking your progress?
The weight scale alone is very unreliable so calipers? Hip/waist measurements?




Great info on the enzymes Jimi, but does it apply to a half/half split like the OP? Because if it doesnt then the doctor was guessing rather than testing to see if it really is the case.
I'm prejudice when it comes to docs since my experience with most of them has lead to believe they know very little about nutrition, body recomposition, etc.
However, I'm also man enough to admit when I'm wrong

As for albuterol: I have experimented with every thermogenic/appettite suppressant known (and unknown) and for me, albuterol is a poor sub for clen.
Let's not pretend that its got similar fat burning effects due to improved gym performance - it doesnt. Your not using any fat whatsoever when your in the gym, so no it doesnt provide sinilar end results.
Safer? Yes. Less sides? Sure. Better thermogenic? No. Better for overall fat loss? Nope.
If I want to go for a less effective sub, I'll pick ephedrine - no cycling needed for thermogenic benefits.

I do great with albuterol and the edge it gives me doing cardio surely improves the fat burning. I have increased capacity for both longevity and intensity. The main difference is the shorter effective life so sure clen will burn more fat but it also doesnt allow me to sleep , i get shitty rest, then my workout and general quality of life decrease- all diminishing the fat burning effects of clen. With albut I can burn fat while I am awake, sleep and rest well, and feel good while using it. I get an edge on the fat burning, it has more evidence supporting the anti catabolic proprieties than clen does,and for maybe a 1-2lb difference in fat loss compared to clen Ill take albuterol all day ....and do ;-)
I sometime just use albuterol for a pre workout when im not even cutting.
Also Im just looking at these thing for what they are, an aid, not a miracle in a bottle. Oh and throw t3 in with albut = win for fat loss big time. Awesome combo. Again take it over t3/clen any day man. Its all costs befits and big picture with me and in the big picture abuterol for me is much more suitable than clen for my purposes.

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

I do great with albuterol and the edge it gives me doing cardio surely improves the fat burning. I have increased capacity for both longevity and intensity. The main difference is the shorter effective life so sure clen will burn more fat but it also doesnt allow me to sleep , i get shitty rest, then my workout and general quality of life decrease- all diminishing the fat burning effects of clen. With albut I can burn fat while I am awake, sleep and rest well, and feel good while using it. I get an edge on the fat burning, it has more evidence supporting the anti catabolic proprieties than clen does,and for maybe a 1-2lb difference in fat loss compared to clen Ill take albuterol all day ....and do ;-)
I sometime just use albuterol for a pre workout when im not even cutting.
Also Im just looking at these thing for what they are, an aid, not a miracle in a bottle. Oh and throw t3 in with albut = win for fat loss big time. Awesome combo. Again take it over t3/clen any day man. Its all costs befits and big picture with me and in the big picture abuterol for me is much more suitable than clen for my purposes.

Interesting perspective, I suppose I'm more of a "main goal" type of guy.
If the main goal is fat loss, then the factors you listed (performance/life quality/sleep) all play secondary roles. The fact is, the right supplements will more than make up for any fat loss diminishing effects those have (especially when you creep towards dnp & beyond terroritory).

IME, and research backs me up on this, sleep/quality of life are going to suffer when your dieting anyway so why prolong the misery?
The only other factor would be muscle maintenance, and the diff between clen/albu/eph, etc is pretty minimal is this regard.
Again, for me its all about the main goal & minimiising the time required to get there

 

[JimiThing]

Interesting perspective, I suppose I'm more of a "main goal" type of guy.
If the main goal is fat loss, then the factors you listed (performance/life quality/sleep) all play secondary roles. The fact is, the right supplements will more than make up for any fat loss diminishing effects those have (especially when you creep towards dnp & beyond terroritory).

IME, and research backs me up on this, sleep/quality of life are going to suffer when your dieting anyway so why prolong the misery?
The only other factor would be muscle maintenance, and the diff between clen/albu/eph, etc is pretty minimal is this regard.
Again, for me its all about the main goal & minimiising the time required to get there

Yeah the older I get the more conservative/cost-benefits oriented I seem to become. If I was going to compete or this stuff was a livelihood thing- it would be totally different but at this stage for me neither of those are the case. There was a time I probably would have posted the exact same things you have just a few years ago, so the advice isnt right or wrong but just our individual perspective and subsequent opinions.