is this the safest first cyle?

[gram of tren]

I disagree that people get banned for disagreeing. I haven't observed such a thing. .

that's because you havent been around very long. i was a member of this board for several years back in 2007ish and saw many people come and go due to politics.

So you can feel the beginning of the onset of prostatitis? I have people disagree with me all the time, sometimes I'm wrong - sometimes I'm right. I'm always willing to learn something new, but how does taking a small dose of an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) followed by a blood test to verify proper dosing cause a crash in estradiol? I like to think "smart cycling" is encouraged on this board as I still see other forums that have folks recommending milk thistle and nolva on cycle and tapering down doses for a PCT. It's no longer the 1980's my friend, we now have third generation aromatase inhibitors to help us cycle safely without having to worry about gyno or any of the other problems this natural carcinogen can cause.



I actually view this as a positive. I feel that this pushing of blood tests (a good thing) most definitely came from guys on TRT as they have been taught by doctors on how to do this right. They share this information with friends online so guys that cycle can benefit from things at a medical perspective.

I think we agree on this being a positive rather than a negative at least!

im not against the use of an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) if necessary. i think rather than start an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) initially, it'd be wiser to get blood work done throughout the cycle to determine if the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is necessary. if bloodwork confirms the need for an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) then start one.

 

[GoldenEra7]

I've ran test at 500 without an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) an got no gyno whatsoever. It's those nasty pro hormones that give you gyno.... & other things obviously

 

[gram of tren]

goldenera some people are more prone to high estro sides than others.

 

[halfwit]

im not against the use of an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) if necessary. i think rather than start an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) initially, it'd be wiser to get blood work done throughout the cycle to determine if the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is necessary. if bloodwork confirms the need for an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) then start one.

While I agree with this statement, it does assume that there will be a constant monitoring of blood levels. Unfortunately however, we both know the average guy running a cycle isn't going to be that thorough and if they see that an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is optional, you can guess which direction that's going to go... As a minimum dose followed up with at least one mid-cycle blood test is asking for less I feel many more would be willing to at least take that advice, which has a minimal risk of crashing E2 while still giving some coverage. I view it as trying to cover as many bases for as many people as possible at once. Obviously, it is not really a one-size-fits-all solution, but I think it comes close enough.

I do respect your opinion however.

I've ran test at 500 without an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) an got no gyno whatsoever. It's those nasty pro hormones that give you gyno.... & other things obviously

Orrrrrrrrrr, you're just not as sensitive to E2 as others. I know a fella that has had his estradiol up in the 900's (pg/mL) that only saw bloating and some elevated bp; yet if you were to give those serum values to someone else that IS sensitive - you'd be looking at budding new B cups. Just because you can't feel or see something, doesn't mean it's not there causing damage.

I find most folks that claim they can get by without an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) end up either making a gyno recovery thread some time later, or freak out when they actually do go and get a blood test. It's 50 bucks, why not know for sure how everything is going?

My .02c

 

[DreDay187]

I've ran test at 500 without an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) an got no gyno whatsoever. It's those nasty pro hormones that give you gyno.... & other things obviously

Do you think gyno is the only reason to use an AI?

 

[fat_boy]

my first cycle was 500 test e/week for 12 weeks. i needed an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) right away after 3 weeks into it. some good ass iranian test, definitely blew me up...now that i look back on it i wish i would've ran for 16 weeks and upped the dose a little bit the last 4 - 5 weeks. however, pct friggin sucks and is the primary reason i don't cycle now, and i won't until i'm on trt.... after those 12 weeks i was about 3 weeks or so into pct and hopped back on test prop and decca and got horribly hurt and was out of the gym for a year. recovering was a bitch not only because of the prolonged amount of time i was shutdown but also because of all the meds i ended up having to take on top of that... it really fucking sucks watching your body disappear in front of your eyes because you can't train during pct while on painkillers and other meds

now it's just gh for me. i love peptides

 

[GoldenEra7]

Yea

 

[Maintenance Man]

Yea

Why did you edit that garbage about an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is only for gyno and to keep off water retention???? And so eloquently referred to Dre as a fat lil blue smurf??

Come on now. Don't start to choke on the all horseshit you shovel out.

 

[GoldenEra7]

I don't quite so it came up way to war down the thread. Come on now, he's gotta know I'm talking to him

 

[Optimal]

myself and plenty of people I know that cycle have not needed ai's. most of you recommend blasting an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) from the gate and all that's gonna do is drive his estro into the ground. no point in arguing with the "vets" on this board. this board is notorious for banning people that disagree with the vets. same old song and dance.

Well I would rather go off of the statistical averages of the bloodwork of clinical patients rather than some anecdote about gym bros not needing it.
Just because you don't see physical symptoms doesn't mean your levels weren't too high. Some people just aren't prone to estro sides and can walk around without seeing anything at all despite practical being a transgender hormonally.
That being said, I don't think it's too big of a deal at such a low dosage, just a slight preference towards preventative measures rather than reactive ones.

@OP
I would go with 500test/wk and run it for a bit longer. No need to start out at 150 on the clomid.
Since you plan on coming off, I would also throw in Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) at 250iu 2x/wk but it's up to you.