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I would switch compounds the last 4-6 weeks to attempt to "solidify" (for lack of a better term) gains. Example: Let's say you were doing the following:Perfection Awaits said:great reply, thats what i was getting at. I think im going to run one 20 week cycle per year...until im out of supplies.
Perfection Awaits said:like doc said, most of the people here are not. I am sure i could have added another 20lbs or so on naturally, but it would have taken a long ass time. I had been stuck for almost a year at my weight, and even changed my diet/routine a couple times to try and shock out of it. Then i ended up just going at it. Too late now, im on the "darkside".
This is the predicament that ALL advanced bodybuilders reach. My diet, sleep patterns, training are always near optimal, but when I take a break, I lose alot of size. This is the reason for so much interest in peptides and GH. These compounds elicit a hope of being able to augment ones genetic potential.LiftTillIDie said:My point was not about you starting too soon, rather that if you are attempting to keep muscle past your genetic abilities then it's a lost cause if you aren't on steroids.
This is totally dependant on how advanced the trainer is! I personally know Flex Wheeler and other pro's. They have the best genetics in all of existance, yet they shrink incredibly when they come off.... Look back at Mike Morris when he decided to go natural. He was incredibly gifted and he went from a competitive weight of 260+ to being only able to maintain about 220 with out the diuretics etc. So in reality if you include the loss of fluids he endured to get in contest shape he was probably closer to 270 contest time. Thats 50 pounds of muscle in one of the most genetically gifted individuals around.Insane_Man said:if you can't keep size while off (assuming you aren't a pro) then you need to take a serious look at your diet and training. sure your muscles will pop like toaster pastries a bit more while on, and you can hit the weights hard for longer intervals, but aside from those you shouldn't be shrinking if you eat and train right.
Thompson31580 said:This is totally dependant on how advanced the trainer is! I personally know Flex Wheeler and other pro's. They have the best genetics in all of existance, yet they shrink incredibly when they come off.... Look back at Mike Morris when he decided to go natural. He was incredibly gifted and he went from a competitive weight of 260+ to being only able to maintain about 220 with out the diuretics etc. So in reality if you include the loss of fluids he endured to get in contest shape he was probably closer to 270 contest time. Thats 50 pounds of muscle in one of the most genetically gifted individuals around.
Now I know none of us are pro's but that doesnt mean that we havent reached near those limits in terms of what our bodies can attain.
Whats OP?Insane_Man said:the OP is about the size of the average middle school basketball player
how big are you?
Thompson31580 said:This is totally dependant on how advanced the trainer is! I personally know Flex Wheeler and other pro's. They have the best genetics in all of existance, yet they shrink incredibly when they come off....
Insane_Man said:if you can't keep size while off (assuming you aren't a pro) then you need to take a serious look at your diet and training. sure your muscles will pop like toaster pastries a bit more while on, and you can hit the weights hard for longer intervals, but aside from those you shouldn't be shrinking if you eat and train right.
Thompson31580 said:This is the predicament that ALL advanced bodybuilders reach. My diet, sleep patterns, training are always near optimal, but when I take a break, I lose alot of size. This is the reason for so much interest in peptides and GH. These compounds elicit a hope of being able to augment ones genetic potential.
If not, year round usage with lower dose bridge periods is really going to be the only way to maintain those levels. Although then you have to consider the long term implications on your health.