L-CARNITINE , creatine and AAS?

[STAUNCHED427]

Just to add again I am only using the Creatine HCl because I got it for free and needed it, but will be switching back to monohydrate. Yep creatine is creatine, the different forms are marketting hype.

 

[Mikeybltd]

Creatine builds up your natural ATP stores, a lot of scientific research done on it also, IMO stick to Creatine mono cheap as chips and works well.

 

[Black Beard]

In my extensive experience of supplement use(i've tried a lot, taken notes, read the studies) The most effective supplements are usually reasonably priced. It's the really expensive crap you have to watch out for. Think "cell tech"


For creatine, you best bet is any company that uses "Creapure" creatine. Manufactured in Germany with very strict quality control. It's pharmaceutical grade creatine. Optimum's creatine and Allmax(the one i'm using right now) use creapure. It's as cheap as any too. $19.99 for a three month supply. You can't go wrong with that. Like i said, i gave my GNC shit to my barber

 

[SteelM]

I personaly stopped taking a lot of suppliments during a cycle, I only use basics like: BCAA, creatine, some protein powder, some vitamins&minerals, Omega3, and a suppliment for my joints.
And as far as I know many other companies use the "Creapure" from Germany and overcharge by selling it as an "EXTR3ME" or other BS creatine name.

 

[Black Beard]

Lmfao. I've heard and read good things about BCAA's. Never tried them personally though.

 

[DreDay187]

Lmfao. I've heard and read good things about BCAA's. Never tried them personally though.

They're Useless on a bulk with adequate protein intake and questionable on a cut with reduced protein intake. Only benefit that's worth mentioning really is if you train fasted (ala IF or something) they can help prevent catabolism in a fasted state.

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

Not to mention whey protein has the highest BCAA content of any protein source, so if you buy protein powder - why would you waste your money on a BCAA source also?

 

[dazzyboy]

i take CEE (creatine ethyl ester), l-glutamine, l-carnitine, chromium picolate, multivits, l-arginine, T5 Super, caffiene, and many more.

different people react to different types of creatine. you CANNOT take several person's suggestions as the holy grail. it's hit or miss.

my advice: try some 'brand' and type (powder/tabs)... if they do not work, then try another brand/type.

it is just part of my daily routine and i do not think about it... i just take them.


as for l-carnitine... it will not help you burn fat if your bodyfat is high. you need to be under 13% BF, for it to have any chance of giving visual results. my rule.... if you cannot see definition already, then do not use it.

as for timings - NEVER have an OFF period from your supps.... only take time off from the 'real gear'.

i even take my creatine on holidays.

 

[SteelM]

Not to mention whey protein has the highest BCAA content of any protein source, so if you buy protein powder - why would you waste your money on a BCAA source also?

some articles seem to claim that BCAAs in protein powder are peptide-bound to other amino acids and, in order to be effective, must be liberated through digestion and then absorbed into the bloodstream. BCAA suppliments howevever have a much faster absorbtion.

This could be just a insignificant part, but why not suppliment with BCAA, I have only heard good things about it, and I seem to get a faster recovery with them, especialy when off cycle.

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

some articles seem to claim that BCAAs in protein powder are peptide-bound to other amino acids and, in order to be effective, must be liberated through digestion and then absorbed into the bloodstream. BCAA suppliments howevever have a much faster absorbtion.

This could be just a insignificant part, but why not suppliment with BCAA, I have only heard good things about it, and I seem to get a faster recovery with them, especialy when off cycle.

Can you link me to this article?

The problem with supplementing with BCAA's is really 2 fold:
1) if your getting adequate protein from good sources (whey, casein, milk, chicken, turkey, etc) you should be getting plenty of bcaa's anyway.
2) BCAA's need the other amino acids in order to be effective - so on its own it won't do anything. This is why I suspect this article is going to be completely incorrect, but I'll wait for the link before I judge...

 

[Black Beard]

Like Dre said, the only strong benefit i have heard of is consuming them during fasted training; leangains style. I've never needed to use them, i trained fasted and maintained intensity and anabolism. Perhaps i could have further optimized this through BCAA supplementation. I'm not sure. Results in the gym are satisfactory and consistent so i never saw a reason to try it out. I've heard the same from other sources; on a bulk BCAA's aren't really all that helpful if at all. Thanks for the input bros

 

[DreDay187]

some articles seem to claim that BCAAs in protein powder are peptide-bound to other amino acids and, in order to be effective, must be liberated through digestion and then absorbed into the bloodstream. BCAA suppliments howevever have a much faster absorbtion.

This could be just a insignificant part, but why not suppliment with BCAA, I have only heard good things about it, and I seem to get a faster recovery with them, especialy when off cycle.

So you're saying that the only benefit to this is faster absorption? What's that matter when you're in a post-prandial state most of the day? Why do we care if it's faster if most of us are eating protein 4-6x/day and are never in a fasted state and never deprived of protein?

 

[SteelM]

Can you link me to this article?

The problem with supplementing with BCAA's is really 2 fold:
1) if your getting adequate protein from good sources (whey, casein, milk, chicken, turkey, etc) you should be getting plenty of bcaa's anyway.
2) BCAA's need the other amino acids in order to be effective - so on its own it won't do anything. This is why I suspect this article is going to be completely incorrect, but I'll wait for the link before I judge...

I think I found the article, altough I read it a long time ago: Bodybuilding.com - The Importance Of BCAA's!. Of course there will be some exagerations, but I think there could be a benefit, especialy off cycle and/or during cutting.
Please see especialy this part:

A recent study carried out by researchers at Auburn University in the US compared blood levels of amino acids in 10 male subjects (average age 30 years) after each of three possible treatments: eating a mixture of amino acids in their easily absorbed form; eating the same total amount but as whole protein (cottage cheese); and eating a mixture of the two. Each treatment consisted of a similar wide range of amino acids, and totaled about 23g protein, 5g carbohydrate, 2g fat, and also included just 20ml water. Each subject's diet was also standardized prior to treatment.

After just 15 minutes, the first and third treatments (i.e., those including individual amino acids) produced a much higher level of circulating amino acids than the whole protein treatment-although, as in many areas of nutrition, there were wide variations between individual responses. A promising finding was that the problem that had been feared- -of a correspondingly quick disappearance of the amino acids from the circulation via excretion from the body by the kidneys-did not take place. Notably, there was little difference between the amino acid concentrations observed as long as some of the amino acids eaten were immediately available for absorption -i.e., after treatments one and three.

 

[DreDay187]

I think I found the article, altough I read it a long time ago: Bodybuilding.com - The Importance Of BCAA's!. Of course there will be some exagerations, but I think there could be a benefit, especialy off cycle and/or during cutting.
Please see especialy this part:

A recent study carried out by researchers at Auburn University in the US compared blood levels of amino acids in 10 male subjects (average age 30 years) after each of three possible treatments: eating a mixture of amino acids in their easily absorbed form; eating the same total amount but as whole protein (cottage cheese); and eating a mixture of the two. Each treatment consisted of a similar wide range of amino acids, and totaled about 23g protein, 5g carbohydrate, 2g fat, and also included just 20ml water. Each subject's diet was also standardized prior to treatment.

After just 15 minutes, the first and third treatments (i.e., those including individual amino acids) produced a much higher level of circulating amino acids than the whole protein treatment-although, as in many areas of nutrition, there were wide variations between individual responses. A promising finding was that the problem that had been feared- -of a correspondingly quick disappearance of the amino acids from the circulation via excretion from the body by the kidneys-did not take place. Notably, there was little difference between the amino acid concentrations observed as long as some of the amino acids eaten were immediately available for absorption -i.e., after treatments one and three.

About casein hydrolysate but coma prisons can be drawn to whole protein vs bcaas on absorption spee

While one study showed that casein hydrolysate is more quickly digested and absorbed than intact casein [4], another study found that the faster absorption of casein hydrolysate isn***8217;t necessarily superior for muscle anabolism [5]. Compared to intact casein, its hydrolyzed form was preferentially incorporated into the intestinal tissue instead of skeletal muscle (more discussion here). Given this sparse and equivocal data set, calling casein hydrolysate ***8220;perfect***8221; is a perfect example of unsubstantiated hype.

 

[DreDay187]

I think I found the article, altough I read it a long time ago: Bodybuilding.com - The Importance Of BCAA's!. Of course there will be some exagerations, but I think there could be a benefit, especialy off cycle and/or during cutting.
Please see especialy this part:

A recent study carried out by researchers at Auburn University in the US compared blood levels of amino acids in 10 male subjects (average age 30 years) after each of three possible treatments: eating a mixture of amino acids in their easily absorbed form; eating the same total amount but as whole protein (cottage cheese); and eating a mixture of the two. Each treatment consisted of a similar wide range of amino acids, and totaled about 23g protein, 5g carbohydrate, 2g fat, and also included just 20ml water. Each subject's diet was also standardized prior to treatment.

After just 15 minutes, the first and third treatments (i.e., those including individual amino acids) produced a much higher level of circulating amino acids than the whole protein treatment-although, as in many areas of nutrition, there were wide variations between individual responses. A promising finding was that the problem that had been feared- -of a correspondingly quick disappearance of the amino acids from the circulation via excretion from the body by the kidneys-did not take place. Notably, there was little difference between the amino acid concentrations observed as long as some of the amino acids eaten were immediately available for absorption -i.e., after treatments one and three.

In and find the entire study but one thing they failed to do was show that any of this has any clinical significance. If i take Tylenol to get rid of a headache I can take 50mg of it and my blood levels of acetomenophin will rise up. But so what, it's not enough to get rid of my headache or do anything that I want it to

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

I think I found the article, altough I read it a long time ago: Bodybuilding.com - The Importance Of BCAA's!. Of course there will be some exagerations, but I think there could be a benefit, especialy off cycle and/or during cutting.
Please see especialy this part:

A recent study carried out by researchers at Auburn University in the US compared blood levels of amino acids in 10 male subjects (average age 30 years) after each of three possible treatments: eating a mixture of amino acids in their easily absorbed form; eating the same total amount but as whole protein (cottage cheese); and eating a mixture of the two. Each treatment consisted of a similar wide range of amino acids, and totaled about 23g protein, 5g carbohydrate, 2g fat, and also included just 20ml water. Each subject's diet was also standardized prior to treatment.

After just 15 minutes, the first and third treatments (i.e., those including individual amino acids) produced a much higher level of circulating amino acids than the whole protein treatment-although, as in many areas of nutrition, there were wide variations between individual responses. A promising finding was that the problem that had been feared- -of a correspondingly quick disappearance of the amino acids from the circulation via excretion from the body by the kidneys-did not take place. Notably, there was little difference between the amino acid concentrations observed as long as some of the amino acids eaten were immediately available for absorption -i.e., after treatments one and three.

As Dre said, I fail to see the significance of this - having amino acids still in the blood stream is meaningless. I've posted about this before but, the only time bcaas are useful are if your cutting & decide to train fasted & have inadequate protein in general.

The important point is this: without the other essentail amino acids, bcaas won't do a damn thing - this means it makes sense to consume a whole protein source with all the aminos you need (whey, chicken, etc) rather than a single bcaa supplement.
The one area I know alot about is cutting off cycle & I still fail to see bcaa supplementation as anything but a waste of money.

FYI, never trust bb.com bro - they sell these supps so obviously they're going to choose bias studies to promote them. Not saying avoid them altogether (I still read muscle & fitness lol) but any source that sells the supps is not going to give you an accurate article & shouldn't be relied on

 

[Black Beard]

About casein hydrolysate but coma prisons can be drawn to whole protein vs bcaas on absorption spee

Alan Aragon is a BEAST

 

[dazzyboy]

why go off-topic?

 

[Black Beard]

I go wherever i want.

 

[DreDay187]

Alan Aragon is a BEAST

That guy is a walking encyclopedia of info. He's forgotten more than half of us have ever known....combined