lean bulk cycle - would appreciate a critique

[strom]

Hey brothers,

I'm thinking of running this cycle for some lean ass gains.

How does the cycle look and should I have anything else on hand?

No pct as I will go back on TRT...

weeks 1-16 testC 250mg 2x/wk
weeks 1-6 anadrol 50mg ED
weeks 1-14 deca 200mg 2x/wk
weeks 5-16 masteronE 200mg 2x/wk
weeks 1-16 aromasin 12.5mg E3D

Do I really need 4 compounds to do a lean bulk?

 

[oldmusclemike]

NO you don't need more then one. Better 2 by using a Kicker for the 1st 4 weeks. But your diet will determine lean. The same cycle for a lean bulk can be used for a cut cycle to begin and by adding a finishing compound.

But it's diet. For bulking keep it real simple a kick start, Dbol then Test to the end. Controlled E2 with AI and control weight gains n bulk by diet.

I don't know your stats but IMOP this is way overboard.

 

[strom]

I don't know your stats but IMOP this is way overboard.

5-9
185
9%
60

So you're saying?

Dbol 1-4
Test 1-16
Deca 1-14

 

[oldmusclemike]

5-9
185
9%
60

So you're saying?

Dbol 1-4
Test 1-16
Deca 1-14

You are at 9% at 5-9" and 185lbs I would like to see that, just to see. But at any rate yes to just the three compounds. You could and should run the Deca longer. I won't go into it but to suggest you read the steroid profile on Deca.

Now if you are 9% that's why no need for anything else. Use your diet. You can cut or bulk with Deca by diet. Just train for bulk. Overload , overload heavy low reps to failure and beyond. Watch the mirror more then the scale.

IMOP ... OMM

 

[tbonexl]

Mast at 400mgs per week isn't really worth using imo. Test and deca will do u good. I'm not a fan of oral aas so I have no input for you there..

 

[Matt0071]

Just eat more
Thats a wack of compounds for a dude your size

 

[Matt0071]

Test and Deca and throw in some drol 100mg ed for 4 weeks should put some good mass on u if u eat
Why not if your at 9 percent bodyfat just eat to gain some good mass, maintain for abit then cut

 

[Matt0071]

Im only.running 500mg test, 300mg tren e and 100mg drol ed for 4 weeks
Its been a few weeks on the current blast and feel good
Sitting at rougly 242lbs as of today

 

[strom]

You are at 9% at 5-9" and 185lbs I would like to see that

I was actually 181.2 in that pic on 11-5-17.

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[oldmusclemike]

Great thanks for the Picture. You are looking good and as per your goal of lean bulk that's easy and simple if you just back off all the unnecessary bull shit added.

Remember what you want is LMM.... Lean Muscle Mass so anything else is fat and water. So with that being said any compound with Test will do it. However to keep it cleaner with less sides Anadrol would be good as per your choice also. I would leave off the Deca but that's a topic in and of itself. I have done Test alone many times and at higher doses like 750 plus. Aromatization will be a concern with the Test high.

Read up on the profiles in regard to Deca and be prepared to maybe battle the sides. However all you need is the Anadrol and the Test. It is then so much p to diet NO MATTER what you do. Let the synergism with the aid of a simple, SIMPLE anabolic cycle. Eat right and watch the mirror. Know that if you are training and eating correctly if you keep those gains to a max of 10-12 pounds by diet you will maintain the synergism of building/ growing your muscles as efficiently as you can.

It's not all the compounds that help produce your growth. Keep it simple and train n eat. It's not a sprint.
Let us know what you plan...

Good luck

 

[strom]

Great thanks for the Picture. You are looking good and as per your goal of lean bulk that's easy and simple if you just back off all the unnecessary bull shit added.

thanks brother!

Remember what you want is LMM.... Lean Muscle Mass so anything else is fat and water. So with that being said any compound with Test will do it. However to keep it cleaner with less sides Anadrol would be good as per your choice also.

It's not all the compounds that help produce your growth. Keep it simple and train n eat. It's not a sprint.
Let us know what you plan...Good luck

I appreciate it, will keep you posted...

 

[oldmusclemike]

strom you know a man can only gain 15-20 lbs in a year of Lean Muscle Mass. With that a gain of 4-6pounds LMM gain per 3 cycles a year will yield the 15-20 lbs

Keep the gains lean anything over 10 lbs on a 12 - 16 week cycle is mostly water. If you understand what in am telling you will know the reality of all the noobs thinking they lost ALL their gains months later when all the fluids drain. 4-6 pound is what they are left with. But the 4 lbs increase in weight after losing the 10 - 15 lbs is leaving you with the reality of LMM gains.

If you work this cycle and lean back out to 9-10% BF you will see a gain of 4-6 lbs and that would be a good increase and a well done cycle.

Good Luck

 

[Mycelium]

I'm kinda falling out with the term "Lean bulk". Reading 3js posts I've came to the conclusion adding lots of fat is a diet problem. So is NOT gaining. If someone isn't getting buff or getting fatter they are not eating enough. Gains of bodyfat should be limited. Excess calories are needed but gaining excess fat just to bust our ass later to lose it seems like a complete waste of time amd money. We spent money on food to turn it into fat to turn around and have to lose it later. I've never had to worry about body fat tho.

I might be off but it seems like higher testosterone doses are recommended before stacks with 4 things in them. Reading profiles I think things like deca are a dance with the devil. Great gains but water bloat, sides and huge swings in weight and strenght seems unnecessary for most of us. Higher doses of test have sides but it's already sides being delt with I guess. I've began to think cycles are not a magic mix and stacks don't have to be complex. Theres no meed to run a pro BB stack anymore than riding around in a NASCAR suits amd safety harness when driving. Not having to go to extremes benefits us in a way I think.

 

[strom]

If you work this cycle and lean back out to 9-10% BF you will see a gain of 4-6 lbs and that would be a good increase and a well done cycle. Good Luck

I don't really want to gain a shit ton of water and fat just to have to cut...In the last 28 weeks, I've lost about 10 lbs of bodyfat and gained about 6 lbs of lean mass...

 

[oldmusclemike]

I'm kinda falling out with the term "Lean bulk". Reading 3js posts I've came to the conclusion adding lots of fat is a diet problem. So is NOT gaining. If someone isn't getting buff or getting fatter they are not eating enough. Gains of bodyfat should be limited. Excess calories are needed but gaining excess fat just to bust our ass later to lose it seems like a complete waste of time amd money. We spent money on food to turn it into fat to turn around and have to lose it later. I've never had to worry about body fat tho.

I might be off but it seems like higher testosterone doses are recommended before stacks with 4 things in them. Reading profiles I think things like deca are a dance with the devil. Great gains but water bloat, sides and huge swings in weight and strenght seems unnecessary for most of us. Higher doses of test have sides but it's already sides being delt with I guess. I've began to think cycles are not a magic mix and stacks don't have to be complex. Theres no meed to run a pro BB stack anymore than riding around in a NASCAR suits amd safety harness when driving. Not having to go to extremes benefits us in a way I think.

Great summary ^^^ and advice of what i am talking about. Yes the higher dose test will cause some sides but we deal with these sides on almost all cycles. sO i choose the higher dose test for building Mass. These stacks are not needed. Unless for competition and at that level.

All of our cycles should be lean. Lean bulk is not the term. It is just simply a bulk cycle or a cut cycle either way it should be clean n lean. Maybe for the power lifters they will gain weight and not worry TOO much what gain. Mass moves mass so to speak, to a point. But the BB will only just have to loose the weight, water n fat.

When a guy goes into a cut cycle he should be at the present happy where his size. Because basically you are not growing more mass ( take with a grain of salt) you are not concentrating all your efforts on more mass but to show off your SHAPE and Mass that you have.
SO ergo no reason to gain more then 15 lbs on a cycle 12 - 16 week cycle. THINK you just cannot build / grow 15 lbs of LMM in 16 weeks.

You want to gain an INCH on your arms well an INCH of LEAN muscle mass on your arm... 1" will take a year. That's after dry out n cut.

Thanks Mycelium, I sometime have a problem wrapping up the summary.

 

[oldmusclemike]

Hey Matt0071
Good to hear from you.