Legit Test E week 10 and still no results

soldier74

avi changes as i do
As plenty of members have already stated, overtraining is real. This isn't just my "opinion"...its a proven fact that has been established for decades so what someone may "believe" has zero relevance here:

A Review of Overtraining Syndrome?Recognizing the Signs and Symptoms
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/8157006_Does_overtaining_exist_An_analysis_of_overreaching_and_overtraining_research

Over training syndrome (OTS) is a recognized condition and one of the main reasons why practically every single elite athlete, including strength athletes, have periodized programmes - to avoid overtraining and have planned periods of overreaching where necessary.

As for the difference between overtraining & overreaching, it comes down to the time period.
Overtraining is the result of high intensity and/or high volume training over a sustained period of time. Overreaching is training at a high intensity and/or volume for a short period of time (a few weeks at most) and can actually accelerate muscle growth when planned accordingly.

That's what I like about you Rip...u always bring the FACTS!! Lol. And then break it down so anyone can understand.
Good stuff man! Thanks!!
 
I knew you guys wouldn't let me down lol. Thank you all for the quick and helpful replies. I should have probably included that for a couple months before I started my cycle I tried to get as big as possible and I did kick up calorie intake up to 5200 daily with close to 300g of protein. At that point I started getting noticeably fatter very quickly, but I STILL wasn't putting on weight. So I must have been losing something else to compensate for the fat gain? Anyway, I plan on making this my last week of test e then just taking pct and backing off training slightly to work on the elusive rest muscle. I was not at all happy with the results of my first cycle, be it my gear or my program, so it will be a while before I try another one.

There is no way you can eat 5200 calories a day and be healthy. Learn what to eat and when. It's not calorie intake it is protein intake at the right time in the right form and in the right amount. Bulking is hard because eating every 2.5 hours is hard without digestive aids and fiber.
 

soldier74

avi changes as i do
There is no way you can eat 5200 calories a day and be healthy. Learn what to eat and when. It's not calorie intake it is protein intake at the right time in the right form and in the right amount. Bulking is hard because eating every 2.5 hours is hard without digestive aids and fiber.

Agreed!! (with that last line anyways,...well all of it, but i can speak from experience on the last line you wrote). When Eating turns into a job.its no fun man:-(
Gotta do what we gotta do to get to where we trying to go tho....im All in!
 

soldier74

avi changes as i do
... And fight the power!
(sometimes the power is the little voice in our heads saying "nah you don't gotta do all that work n eat right, just relax n have a pizza brah"!).
 
It sounds like your body was holding water and your ai just kicked in. So I suggest you cut this cycle short or hire a diet consultant.
 
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Twells229

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I did read every post, most of them past page 3 were unrelated to my original post.

I've been taking arimidex for more than 6 weeks, so I doubt it's just now kicking in but at this point I would believe anything.

I'm not sure why my diet is under such heavy fire, as it was put together under supervision of a dietician. I thought I had done enough research to understand what you need to eat to get big, but again, no results so I must be flawed somewhere.

I have people telling me I'm still not eating enough, (despite my eyes bulging from the sheer volume of food) and I have people telling me I'm eating too much. So, which one is it?

I have those saying there's no such thing as overtraining and I need to hit it harder, and I see some saying I am going way too hard. I'm seeing a shocking amount of contradicting information leaving me with even more questions than I had before.

I also think that we are forgetting that I've been on 750mg/week of testosterone. Even if my diet were sh*tty and my training were half assed/overtraining, wouldn't I STILL be seeing some kind of results?? Instead, I'm moving backwards. And quickly. I remember reading a study, which I can post of anyone is interested, which showed that individuals who took testosterone and did not exercise actually displayed better results than those who exercised without testosterone. I'm taking it and exercising, yet yielding no results. Again, even if my diet were terrible and my training the same, wouldn't I still see some progress?
 

Roush

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I also think that we are forgetting that I've been on 750mg/week of testosterone. Even if my diet were sh*tty and my training were half assed/overtraining, wouldn't I STILL be seeing some kind of results?? Instead, I'm moving backwards. And quickly. I remember reading a study, which I can post of anyone is interested, which showed that individuals who took testosterone and did not exercise actually displayed better results than those who exercised without testosterone. I'm taking it and exercising, yet yielding no results. Again, even if my diet were terrible and my training the same, wouldn't I still see some progress?

is the test your taking UGL ? there is a slight chance that your body is treating the exogenous test your injecting as a 'toxin' , your body is actually fighting it as a foreign substance . your weak and tired and feel over trained because your body is fighting this 'toxin'-- and your immune and energy systems are currently compromised.
 

oldmusclemike

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Week 6 of the cycle, my arms were 18 flat and 19 with a solid pump on arm day. Today they were 17 doing shoulders

But how do you look in the mirror? Are you more vascular?

Water, water, water loss. Man your on a cycle and I say the Arimidex is doing you well. Really w/pump 19 so what. You should see my pump on cycle with good diet and Cialis pump!!!

!7 or 18" do you think anyone can see the difference? Where are your arms really at that you'll know after cycle. Size and pump and some water (some) is fun on cycle. But the real LMM is where it's at when you're not on cycle. That's what counts for when the next cycle begins.

My .02c :)

like halfwit says :dance2:
 

blakey

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Mr rippedzilla as you mentioned high intesity training in regards to time and how long you do that exercise go and get your curl bar and curl for as long as you can and do as many sets as possible your arms will get to sore to sore to overtrain you will overreach and hit failure . This is a bodybuilding steroid fourm not a sprinting or marathon fourm in bodybuilding you cant overtrain becuse your body won't and cant let you let you its not possible theres your proof all i have to say and if thats not your opinion then your just wrong sorry bud
 

oldmusclemike

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Mr rippedzilla as you mentioned high intesity training in regards to time and how long you do that exercise go and get your curl bar and curl for as long as you can and do as many sets as possible your arms will get to sore to sore to overtrain you will overreach and hit failure . This is a bodybuilding steroid fourm not a sprinting or marathon fourm in bodybuilding you cant overtrain becuse your body won't and cant let you let you its not possible theres your proof all i have to say and if thats not your opinion then your just wrong sorry bud

Sorry I don't give shit what you say man. I've been around involved in this sport since I began in 1980. Back in 86' -87'-88' in my prime and I did ok AND I HAVE OVERTRAINED more than once in my career.

If you can't believe in it being possible you haven't trained with a trainer or around the pro's. I tried to keep up with Lee Haney back in 86' in Atlanta Ga. "Doc's Gym" before Lee bough it. I was trying to do more then them to get BIG, BIG and just fucking make it GROW.

All I can offer is my testimony as when I missed a few days and was out...Lee himself said to me. "Man you are pushing too hard and overtraining" This is a true story. No I'm not saying I hung around with him or was friends. I just trained at the same time in the evenings when he was there so he knew me by site.

So that's my experience with over training back then. Now as I said at my age I over train easy but what can anyone expect at 65. I said this in my other post.

Good Luck reach and you can get there, ........But Why :dunno:
 

blakey

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And i also thought that athletes have a specific regimes to concentrate on certain ares of intrest in ones body or what they may be lacking or working on and not whasting time doing exercises that arnt relevant to what that person needs at that certain time and not as someone who has been a paid athlete maybe my opinion is relevant not a link to some random study
 

oldmusclemike

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And i also thought that athletes have a specific regimes to concentrate on certain ares of intrest in ones body or what they may be lacking or working on and not whasting time doing exercises that arnt relevant to what that person needs at that certain time and not as someone who has been a paid athlete maybe my opinion is relevant not a link to some random study

This highlighted ^^^^ only after a person reaches a very advanced level in a sport. But one will always go back and forth to BASICS.

Oh I might add that when I was in Competitive Water Skiing. slalom as well as tricks I have over trained. Not only fatigue would come around but form could be lost and bad habits set in and sometimes the only way back is time off to reset and rest. Rest the mind and the unconscious mind as well as the physical.

I'm not a know it all, I've never been A PRO athlete but I have experienced a
lot. With being in comp with some elite skiers and BB.
 
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Mrrippedzilla

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Mr rippedzilla as you mentioned high intesity training in regards to time and how long you do that exercise go and get your curl bar and curl for as long as you can and do as many sets as possible your arms will get to sore to sore to overtrain you will overreach and hit failure . This is a bodybuilding steroid fourm not a sprinting or marathon fourm in bodybuilding you cant overtrain becuse your body won't and cant let you let you its not possible theres your proof all i have to say and if thats not your opinion then your just wrong sorry bud

You seem to have assumed that I was engaging in a discussion with you about this subject...I was not :)
Over training is a well established FACT and I don't debate facts so by all means stick to your opinion regardless of how wrong it may be.
 

blakey

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Oldmusclemike i would of love to go back in time and spend a week training with you guys back then and i dont mean any disrespect to you guys and you obviously know your stuff you have been doing this a long time . And like i said before i would never recommend anyone lifting to heavy for themselves or to hard but i think my point got lost somewere in here
 
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