Low dose oxandrolone + testosterone + hCG

[Donkey Kong Jr]

Hi,

After reading this interesting article I have thought about doing a similar cycle. To sum it up, a study has shown that an 8 week cycle of 20mg oxandrolone ED + 100mg test e EW produced an 8 kg gain of lean mass. To me this is very impressive considering the low doses. However, I have a few thoughts on the subject:

1. Even though the doses are low the hpta will be supressed and post cycle therapy (pct) is thus needed. For cost efficiency it should thus be considered to run the cycle for a longer period, say perhaps 12 og 16 weeks.
2. Will a combination of higher dosages of both yield proportionally better results or is there any reason to believe that the aforementioned dosage is optimal?
3. Could I maintain my natural production of T throughout the cycle by administering hCG increasing the amount of free T considerably?

As I'm writing this it dawns upon me that since the study shows that the subjects were shut down the 100mg of test EW might not do more than put T back in natural levels. If this is the case couldn't the same effect be obtained by a combination of only oxandrolone and hCG?

I am left to ponder these options:

1. Oxandrolone 20mg ED + testosterone 100mg EW
2. Oxandrolone 20mg ED + testosterone 100mg EW + hCG 500 iU EOD
3. Oxandrolone 20mg ED + hCG 500 iU EOD

All comments are welcomed and encouraged!

PS: Considering the low T dose I was thinking of doing test suspension 15mg ED subq to even out levels and avoid having to inject myself IM, pinning is so much easier and convenient plus there's less risk of serious complications.

 

[Austinite]

After reading that first paragraph in the link you provided, I pretty much lost interest in that article, but I read the whole thing anyway for entertainment purposes.

Here are some flaws with that article:

1. There is no mention of an age range for the men in this study.
2. There is no mention of the method used to calculate body fat percentages.
3. There is no mention of the time between Nandrolone Decanoate administration and the switch to 100mg of Test E.
4. There is no chance on earth any human would gain 17.6 lbs of lean mass in 8 weeks of Test e @ 100mg and Anavar (var) @ 20mg.
5. There is no mention of the nutritional plan the HIV patients were on.
6. There is no mention of other drugs given to the HIV patients that may or may not interact effectively with this study.
7. The image of the chemical structure is not that of Oxandrolone and/or Testosterone. Not sure what it is but certainly derive from testosterone.
8. The study is not specific with no averages. The graphic charts display no accuracy.
9. The source referenced links to a study on the effects of Green Tea.
10. I can't find the actual study anywhere online. Sounds like a mere article/opinion.

I can go on... but with that said, you would feel baby aspirin before you felt anything from 20mg's of Ana Anavar (var) , and 100mg of Test E is just enough to shut you down. Serum levels would never reach a growth-promoting stage; another flaw in the study. It's not how the human body works..

I'd scrap this idea.

 

[Donkey Kong Jr]

Here's the full article: JAMA Network | JAMA | Resistance Exercise and Supraphysiologic Androgen Therapy in Eugonadal Men With HIV-Related Weight LossA Randomized Controlled Trial

 

[Rumpy]

Try it if you want and let us know how it goes. Personally I wouldn't do it, but then I'm not an aids patient with sever muscle atrophy. The study is from 1999. I wonder why it hasn't already taken the body building world by storm. If you want to cycle, follow conventional wisdom and do a tried and true test cycle.

100mg of test should be enough to shut you down, and possibly not enough to replace your natural level, so you could actually end up with lower test while on this cycle.

Austinite, you win man, I skimmed it, but you actually read it and took the time to comment point by point. Good on you.

 

[Austinite]

Here's the full article: JAMA Network | JAMA | Resistance Exercise and Supraphysiologic Androgen Therapy in Eugonadal Men With HIV-Related Weight LossA Randomized Controlled Trial

Thanks. I'm too tired to read that right now, but I will. I have no doubt I can debunk the study. The results stated are not humanly possible. The only possible explanation is a failure in body fat vs lean mass calculations.

ps. I hope you read that study, because I don't always enjoy doing all the leg work