Maintaining test levels

[Redraider]

Hello gentleman,

Had a few quick questions and concerns I wanted to run by you pros:

My stats are as follows:

Age: 28
Ht: 5ft 9in
Weight: 180 lbs
Bf: 15% (guess)
Cycle history: started may 5 this year

Gear on hand: -Test E
-Anavar
-HCG
-Arimdex
-Clomid
-Nolva

Proposed cycle: wks 1-12 - Test E @ 250ew
wks 4-12- Anavar @ 75mg/day
HCG- still researching


Arimdex-as needed starting at week 4 (.05 eod)


PCT: Clomid/Nolva

I gathered TOO MUCH of all precautionary drugs before taking my first pin of a 1/2 CC of test e.

My first pin of test e was taken on May 5th. To my surprise it was not a big deal and I am now wanting to front load with test prop and will be receiving a vial today.

What I would like to do is frontload with prop and still have a low dose of test run with Anavar (var) for a lean, LITTLE BLOAT, CUT, CYCLE.

I go out of town June 5th and I am going crazy waiting for this to kick in.

How should I handle the revision of this cycle once I recieve the prop today?


So far I have taken 3 shots of test E Sun/Wed. Since may 5 @ .05cc per shot. Now I plan on adding in the test prop.

Am I making this way to difficult or am I on the right track?


Any advice is much appreciated!

 

[Redraider]

To summarize this long post:

How do I incorporate the test prop and is it reasonable?

If I find that the prop is not a problem pinning eod should I drop the test e?

 

[halfwit]

You could run the prop at 200mg/wk for the first 4 weeks on top of the test E if you want to feel the effects sooner, but keep in mind this will create a spike in test - leading to a spike in E2. You'll need to keep an eye on E2 sides during this time and the 2 weeks after you stop with the prop and adjust your adex accordingly. If you want to keep up with the enanthate, I see no issue with it. Makes for less pins during the rest of your cycle, that's for sure.

My .02c

 

[Redraider]

You could run the prop at 200mg/wk for the first 4 weeks on top of the test E if you want to feel the effects sooner, but keep in mind this will create a spike in test - leading to a spike in E2. You'll need to keep an eye on E2 sides during this time and the 2 weeks after you stop with the prop and adjust your adex accordingly. If you want to keep up with the enanthate, I see no issue with it. Makes for less pins during the rest of your cycle, that's for sure.


My .02c

Thank you for your response. I am looking to be the leanest meanest I can be in about 3 1/2 weeks. I am one week into test e 250/week and just started the var at 75/ week 2 days ago.

Prop will begin today.

When should I throw in the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG)?

Should I take arimdex or wait to see if I need it?

 

[halfwit]

Thank you for your response. I am looking to be the leanest meanest I can be in about 3 1/2 weeks. I am one week into test e 250/week and just started the var at 75/ week 2 days ago.

Prop will begin today.

When should I throw in the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG)?

Should I take arimdex or wait to see if I need it?

I'd start taking the adex NOW to prevent any sides, but that's just my opinion as I like to be on the conservative side when it comes to E2. I'll leave the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) comments to someone else as I have zero personal experience with the stuff. Good luck on your cycle!

 

[ki7hy]

I'd start taking the adex NOW to prevent any sides, but that's just my opinion as I like to be on the conservative side when it comes to E2. I'll leave the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) comments to someone else as I have zero personal experience with the stuff. Good luck on your cycle!

You don't use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to get you moving again post cycle? You're running tren, I thought it was "highly advised" in order to get back in the game.

 

[halfwit]

You don't use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to get you moving again post cycle? You're running tren, I thought it was "highly advised" in order to get back in the game.

I can't get up and running again. I'm on TRT.

 

[ki7hy]

I can't get up and running again. I'm on TRT.

Gotcha...makes sense. My question I guess would be, does the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) help you in the sack or does it just help give you good swimmers again?? I haven't figured out which one. I'm "fixed" but still like to use the tool to dig in the mud so post cycle therapy (pct) is still important to me. lol

 

[Nightmare007]

Use test prop @ 150mg eod 4 weeks along with test e @ 500mg/week
Keep the var for later

 

[Nightmare007]

Read the sticky by me for Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) dosing protocol

 

[halfwit]

Gotcha...makes sense. My question I guess would be, does the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) help you in the sack or does it just help give you good swimmers again?? I haven't figured out which one. I'm "fixed" but still like to use the tool to dig in the mud so post cycle therapy (pct) is still important to me. lol

HCG mimics the LH signal from the pituitary gland, which can make your testes fuller and continue producing hormones other than test while on a cycle. That's part of the reason why it's used prior to post cycle therapy (pct), is to "jump start" them into working again. From what I understand HMG is used to stimulate sperm creation by triggering the FSH signal. I don't know if Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) has any sexual benefits to be honest. Maybe Nightmare has something in his sticky on it.

 

[Redraider]

Use test prop @ 150mg eod 4 weeks along with test e @ 500mg/week
Keep the var for later

I respect this answer and have most def. kicked the idea around; however, I have decided to go with a low dose of test and anavar for my first cycle. If I do up the test 375 would be the absolute highest I will go.

 

[Redraider]

The urgency and changing of the cycle occurred because it took longer than expected to gather all products as well as post cycle therapy (pct). Now, I am hitting the beach in 3 1/2 weeks and will barely be into my cycle by then....

 

[Redraider]

Update:

I will not be receiving the prop until tomorrow which will mean that I will be almost 4 shots into my test e cycle:

So currently I have done:

3 pins @ 125 mg of test e 250
3 days @ 75mg of anavar

I am anxious to get the cycle moving to reap the benefits on my vacation in 3 1/2 weeks.

My questions:

Would it not be practical to start prop during week 2 of test e using the prop and e up weeks 2-4 and dropping the prop at week 4 and only using the test e 250 ew/var through the remainder of the cycle?

I know it would not be advised but I do plan to have a few drinks on vacation and will not have a solid training for these (3) days. How should I treat this situation with all factions considered?


I realize this seems redundant but I have been working my ass off in the gym and to get this cycle lined out. Truth of the matter is that I will always have interruptions to my training schedule so this will always be an issue.

Thank you in advance for any and all advice.

 

[Redraider]

Nothing???

 

[lightweightbaby123]

Why not just front load the test E and not even bother with the prop at all? Am I reading this correctly?

You just want to reach peak blood levels asap correct?

 

[Redraider]

Why not just front load the test E and not even bother with the prop at all? Am I reading this correctly?

You just want to reach peak blood levels asap correct?

I get what your saying but my initial goal was to have a "low dose test" cycle in which I only purchased one vial of test e 250 10ml.

The turning point was that I found that the test e was COMPLETELY painless and I could def. inject EOD. I realize that prop might be a different story but it is coming from the same source. If it turns out that the prop is not too bad too pin, I would almost rather use it then the Enanthate.

Worst part for me is wondering: What is this going to do to me and not having any clue until 4-5 weeks? What if I get bloated as hell with gyno? Who knows?

 

[lightweightbaby123]

The only reason prop causes less bloat than test e is because it can maintain more stable blood levels due to the short ester.


I'm not sure what your so worried about. So you want to just drop the test e all together? Just drop it now and start useing prop. Stop over thinking it!

 

[halfwit]

Update:

I will not be receiving the prop until tomorrow which will mean that I will be almost 4 shots into my test e cycle:

So currently I have done:

3 pins @ 125 mg of test e 250
3 days @ 75mg of anavar

I am anxious to get the cycle moving to reap the benefits on my vacation in 3 1/2 weeks.

My questions:

Would it not be practical to start prop during week 2 of test e using the prop and e up weeks 2-4 and dropping the prop at week 4 and only using the test e 250 ew/var through the remainder of the cycle?

I know it would not be advised but I do plan to have a few drinks on vacation and will not have a solid training for these (3) days. How should I treat this situation with all factions considered?


I realize this seems redundant but I have been working my ass off in the gym and to get this cycle lined out. Truth of the matter is that I will always have interruptions to my training schedule so this will always be an issue.

Thank you in advance for any and all advice.

Man, I guess you could run the prop for two weeks, but you'll still have to wait a good week to week and a half for the prop to "kick in". I'd personally just keep pinning the test E and if you decide that you want to make your cycle longer, you can start pinning the prop two weeks before you run out of enanthate. Keep in mind, 250mg is barely more than what your body makes naturally, so you won't notice any HUGE change aside from what the anavar does for you. As far as bloat/gyno goes, at those dosages I would be surprised if you see either - but I would be using a low dose of Aromatase inhibitor (AI) just in case. .25mg of adex E3D would probably be perfect, but of course you'll need to see for yourself how your body reacts and may need to increase/decrease your dosages accordingly.

I've heard the whole prop vs E/C debate with regards to bloat, and what lightweightbaby123 says makes sense, but as DADAWG and others state ad nauseum, test is test is test.

My .02c

 

[Redraider]

My concern is fluctuating test levels causing increased sides. If I am changing esters and playing around with dosages is it not that big of a deal? I always thought you wanted to keep levels stable? Maybe I am overreacting......