Beck-Miester
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First, let me give some background: 45yo male, 250lbs, 5'10". I've been lifting for over 25 years, but with many "breaks" in between. At 18yo, I entered a BB Contest in my home province (yes..I'm Canadian) as an amateur, Jr Heavy Weight. Measurements: Arms: 18 1/2", Chest:49" inflated, Thighs: 29" (That should be enough....). Cycle Experience: Almost exclusively Medistar until recently. 3 Cycles completed along with post cycle therapy (pct) and recovery, and getting ready to start a 4th cycle.
Okay, now for the discussion: I have seen and read on this forum an incredible number of posts that blast people if they even mention using two different 19nors on a cycle. Most notably, Tren and Deca. Now, I understand the inherent ricks involved in using two different 19nors: The forms have all been very blatant about what people THINK and some have experienced. My question is more to do with the synergy of a stack, and moderation of the quantities of the two 19nors. Most cycles that I have seen on here, have these young fella pumping 1000mg of Test and 800mg of Deca into themselves (or at least, that is how it sometimes SEEMS..)
I am FAR from a pro and/or expert, but I HAVE done some research in not only this (and other forums) but also through extensive literature. I have read William Llewellyn's "Anabolics" in several different Editions, as well as several other reputable books on the use of anabolics. In Llewellyn's sample stacks, he often mixes Tren and Deca at the same time. That said, I completely understand and AGREE with the fact that the dosages are relatively low: TestC @ 200mg EW with TrenA@ 150mg EW and Deca @ 200mg EW. Hell: He is "supposed to be" one of the leading experts on anabolics, yet many of his cycles fly directly in the face of what many say here: Test with EVERY cycle. He has many cycles that don;t have Test as part of the stack. Regardless of the dosages, I know and understand that your nads are gonna shut down, and a proper post cycle therapy (pct) is required (I use HCG with both Novla and Clomid), but the arguments that he makes is in regards to the synergy of the different oils working together, and producing something more than the sum of the parts.
I am sure that we can all agree that the higher the dosages, the more (potentially) drastic the sides. That is simple chemistry and biology, but if we limit the dosages of those 19nors and use them to COMPLIMENT the Test, rather than (as some seem to do) overpower it, should it not be a legitimate plan?
OF COURSE, anyone who has read even a few pages on this forum knows that post cycle therapy (pct) is critical in the long-term goal of keeping any mass that has ben put on. OF COURSE, anyone using a 19Nor and or, even JUST Test, should have an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) available such as Aromatsin or Arimidex, not to mention dostinex (if you can find/afford it) "just in case". I do, and always will appreciate constructive critisim: It is what makes a community a community....I just find it odd that so many people are almost violently against two 19nors at the same time, regardless of the dosages an/or frequency of injection.
I would definately like to hear what you guys think regarding this...It is something that has been on my mind for quite some time. I am more of a lurker, than a poster, so this is unusual for me.....I just had to ask..
Okay, now for the discussion: I have seen and read on this forum an incredible number of posts that blast people if they even mention using two different 19nors on a cycle. Most notably, Tren and Deca. Now, I understand the inherent ricks involved in using two different 19nors: The forms have all been very blatant about what people THINK and some have experienced. My question is more to do with the synergy of a stack, and moderation of the quantities of the two 19nors. Most cycles that I have seen on here, have these young fella pumping 1000mg of Test and 800mg of Deca into themselves (or at least, that is how it sometimes SEEMS..)
I am FAR from a pro and/or expert, but I HAVE done some research in not only this (and other forums) but also through extensive literature. I have read William Llewellyn's "Anabolics" in several different Editions, as well as several other reputable books on the use of anabolics. In Llewellyn's sample stacks, he often mixes Tren and Deca at the same time. That said, I completely understand and AGREE with the fact that the dosages are relatively low: TestC @ 200mg EW with TrenA@ 150mg EW and Deca @ 200mg EW. Hell: He is "supposed to be" one of the leading experts on anabolics, yet many of his cycles fly directly in the face of what many say here: Test with EVERY cycle. He has many cycles that don;t have Test as part of the stack. Regardless of the dosages, I know and understand that your nads are gonna shut down, and a proper post cycle therapy (pct) is required (I use HCG with both Novla and Clomid), but the arguments that he makes is in regards to the synergy of the different oils working together, and producing something more than the sum of the parts.
I am sure that we can all agree that the higher the dosages, the more (potentially) drastic the sides. That is simple chemistry and biology, but if we limit the dosages of those 19nors and use them to COMPLIMENT the Test, rather than (as some seem to do) overpower it, should it not be a legitimate plan?
OF COURSE, anyone who has read even a few pages on this forum knows that post cycle therapy (pct) is critical in the long-term goal of keeping any mass that has ben put on. OF COURSE, anyone using a 19Nor and or, even JUST Test, should have an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) available such as Aromatsin or Arimidex, not to mention dostinex (if you can find/afford it) "just in case". I do, and always will appreciate constructive critisim: It is what makes a community a community....I just find it odd that so many people are almost violently against two 19nors at the same time, regardless of the dosages an/or frequency of injection.
I would definately like to hear what you guys think regarding this...It is something that has been on my mind for quite some time. I am more of a lurker, than a poster, so this is unusual for me.....I just had to ask..
