My first AAS cycle - PLEASE HELP!

[SwoleKing]

I'd rather this not turn into a hate thread due to my proposed cycle going against common ideas about first AAS cycles. A little background I'm 24, 87KG, 183CM and 11.5% bodyfat. I have been lifting since I was 19 and only started training properly (consistency and with perfect form) and dieting religiously. I have two friends who have recently ventured into the AAS world and are loving it, so I thought I'd do some research. From what I've seen (mainly on this forum) is that the most common first cycle is test enanthate/cypionate. I've decided to go against this (due to several reasons I can discuss if need be) and chose to do a dianabol only cycle. I've seen many logs, both on here but mainly elsewhere, of people doing a dianabol only cycle, trained and dieted hard, did a proper PCT and made some very good gains and kept a lot of it. My proposed cycle is as follows:

• dianabol 30MG ED weeks 1-9
• cycle support 1 scoop ED weeks 1-7, NAC 2 capsules ED weeks 1-13, liv52 2 tablets ED weeks 1-7 and 4 tablets ED weeks 8-13
• clomid 50/25/12.5/12.5 and nolvadex 40/20/10/10 weeks 10-13

Now I'll cover this next part briefly. I've had a bit of pre-pubertal gyno which has annoyed me the last few years, but I've never known what to do with it until I started researching. So I bought some letrozole to run a gyno-reversal procedure and recently started. I've been on for over a week and instead of going up to 2.5MG I've just sat on the 2MG and I'll run that for a bit longer. If it starts to shrink then I'll stay at that dose until it's gone as much as possible, then taper down in 0.5MG increments until I hit 0.5MG ED, and then I'll run nolvadex at 20MG ED to prevent any rebound. I'm desperate to run a dianabol cycle before the end of the year, I've made my mind up and I really want to do it. I have a few questions regarding my cycle:

1. Is this is a sufficient dose of dianabol for a first cycle?
2. Is my PCT good enough for a strong recovery?
3. Is my liver support good enough for protection?
4. Can I continue with my gyno reversal through a cycle of dbol, and just run it like you would normally off a cycle?

Sorry for the lengthy post but any help at all would be MASSIVELY appreciated. I am happy to answer any questions as well about my training and diet. Thanks.

 

[bigkit34]

Your wrong dianabol you won't keep gains no matter how hard you try. Run test only or don't run any aas at all. Sounds to me like we got another one thats scared of needles

 

[SwoleKing]

Your wrong dianabol you won't keep gains no matter how hard you try. Run test only or don't run any aas at all. Sounds to me like we got another one thats scared of needles

I'm sorry but I disagree. I've read countless logs and posts of vets from other respected forums stating they have made very good gains and kept a lot. The majority of those who don't keep their gains are young (under 20 usually), have disgustingly poor diets and training regimes, don't PCT and have no idea what they are doing. There are far too many people around who say "just do test only as a first cycle" without actually knowing why someone should, rather just spouting here-say and what other people state. I'm certain that with the right training and diet, good results can be achieved with a dianabol only cycle.

 

[bigkit34]

Yea i guess your right and I'm wrong I've only been in this game 10 years. Kids like you piss me off and give all juicers a bad name. The reason why test only is so you see how you react before adding other aas to the mix. Orals like dbol will shut off your natty test production just like all aas. When running test as a base you still have test in your body, but without test ypu will be shutdown causing your dick to not work and a feeling of being lethargic all day. Good luck fucking yourself up for life

 

[KingBF]

I'm sorry but I disagree. I've read countless logs and posts of vets from other respected forums stating they have made very good gains and kept a lot. The majority of those who don't keep their gains are young (under 20 usually), have disgustingly poor diets and training regimes, don't PCT and have no idea what they are doing. There are far too many people around who say "just do test only as a first cycle" without actually knowing why someone should, rather just spouting here-say and what other people state. I'm certain that with the right training and diet, good results can be achieved with a dianabol only cycle.

you are certainly wrong

 

[SamSport]

your call bro, but damn dude dont be so scared of pinning. Grow a pair of balls; , you will make some gains on dbol, but you will be disapointed you didn't do test. Test is the way to go; just grow some balls man you're 24 yo

 

[clman8585]

Dianabol only does work for beginers. I gained and kept 25lbs off dbol only cycle. But this is before I knew the proper way to cycle. Why come here and ignore all of the veteran advice? You can't survive off dbol only forever. Dont be a vagina and pin yourself like a man. Nothing beats injectable test based cycle..

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Is this is a sufficient dose of dianabol for a first cycle?
Probably.

Is my PCT good enough for a strong recovery?
Yeah looks alright... Probably stay at 20mg nolva tho.


Is my liver support good enough for protection?
Dont know enough about this to anwser sorry..

Can I continue with my gyno reversal through a cycle of dbol, and just run it like you would normally off a cycle?
You should be runnin an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) throughout your cycle anyway, just increase to 2 or 2.5mg but for no longer than two weeks. N be prepared to feel like SHIT, since your opting for dbol only your gonna have no testosterone and no estrogen in your body if you run high dose letro. I can tell you now your not gonna enjoy this cycle at all lol.


Ok i anwsered your questions now anwser mine. For what reason are you so against test? You'd get more gains from test, less bloat, feel alot better, more energy/motivation and not to mention a wild sex drive. DBol only will give you dece gains (not as much) and itll puff you full of water, then when you come off good luck maintaining with little to no natty test...

 

[clman8585]

Need moar research

 

[weebey]

first cycle you can gain a good amount off just dbol. you'll prolly lose about half the weight after pct tho. but still you can make good gains that you can keep for sure.

 

[Spunkey71]

first cycle you can gain a good amount off just dbol. you'll prolly lose about half the weight after pct tho. but still you can make good gains that you can keep for sure.

If you already know everything and are not willing to listen to anyone else, "Why the hell are you here asking in the first place?"

 

[bigkit34]

first cycle you can gain a good amount off just dbol. you'll prolly lose about half the weight after pct tho. but still you can make good gains that you can keep for sure.

Its mostly bloat you`ll lose almost all of your gains

 

[DipKing]

Most kids do oral only cycle for a few reasons. Either they're scared of poking themselves with a needle, or have a source who is charging them $100+ bucks for a 10mL vial of test e. My advice would be to stick around here, just learn for a few months, eventually you'll get a legit source, have reputable knowledge of AAS use and a better understanding of diet/training, and then you can have a successful first cycle by the time your 25 without all the heartache. It's okay to be a newbie. Everyone was at one point.

 

[IronPrimate]

Dipking is right, local 10ml 250mg vial of Test E/ 10 ml 100 mg Mast P/ 10ml 100mg NPP went for $150 when i started and dropped to $100 for my second cycle. I wouldn't waste my time with dbol, I would run Test E, Mast p, and NPP. That was a great first cycle. Pinning is not that bad if you take your time and make sure the muscle is relaxed (easiest to pin when you wakeup and take a shower bc everything is relaxed & cleaner). Always have alcohol swabs on deck! Good luck with your cycle, like I said I would save my organs the trouble and just run the real deal.

 

[SwoleKing]

Yea i guess your right and I'm wrong I've only been in this game 10 years. Kids like you piss me off and give all juicers a bad name. The reason why test only is so you see how you react before adding other aas to the mix. Orals like dbol will shut off your natty test production just like all aas. When running test as a base you still have test in your body, but without test ypu will be shutdown causing your dick to not work and a feeling of being lethargic all day. Good luck fucking yourself up for life

I never said I was right, just that I disagree. I appreciate your replies, but I really don't think I'll fuck up my life just from a dbol only cycle at 30MG ED lol. I just can't see myself getting fucked up from that.

your call bro, but damn dude dont be so scared of pinning. Grow a pair of balls; , you will make some gains on dbol, but you will be disapointed you didn't do test. Test is the way to go; just grow some balls man you're 24 yo

I was really close to getting test enanthate mate, but I just kept thinking that more people would think I'm on something (family, friends, work colleagues) if I did test and suddenly started getting huge and looking thick as fuck lol. I really just don't want to have to come up with excuses to people close to me, it's fucking annoying.

Dianabol only does work for beginers. I gained and kept 25lbs off dbol only cycle. But this is before I knew the proper way to cycle. Why come here and ignore all of the veteran advice? You can't survive off dbol only forever. Dont be a vagina and pin yourself like a man. Nothing beats injectable test based cycle..

I can't tell if you're being serious about the gaining 25lbs and keeping most of it from dbol only or if you're being sarcastic. I've researched a ton and I could even lay out a perfect testosterone enanthate cycle for you right now. I promise you I've done my research.

Is this is a sufficient dose of dianabol for a first cycle?
Probably.

Is my PCT good enough for a strong recovery?
Yeah looks alright... Probably stay at 20mg nolva tho.


Is my liver support good enough for protection?
Dont know enough about this to anwser sorry..

Can I continue with my gyno reversal through a cycle of dbol, and just run it like you would normally off a cycle?
You should be runnin an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) throughout your cycle anyway, just increase to 2 or 2.5mg but for no longer than two weeks. N be prepared to feel like SHIT, since your opting for dbol only your gonna have no testosterone and no estrogen in your body if you run high dose letro. I can tell you now your not gonna enjoy this cycle at all lol.


Ok i anwsered your questions now anwser mine. For what reason are you so against test? You'd get more gains from test, less bloat, feel alot better, more energy/motivation and not to mention a wild sex drive. DBol only will give you dece gains (not as much) and itll puff you full of water, then when you come off good luck maintaining with little to no natty test...

First reason is availability where I come from - dbol is much easier to get. Second reason is my family, close friends and work colleagues would all probably suspect I was on something more so with test than dbol. Third reason is I've researched on other boards too and quite a lot of vets on other forums actually recommend a light dbol only cycle to see how you react and go. Fourth reason isn't because I'm scared of pinning, but because it's just a strange thing to think of pinning myself for the first time. Not many people in this world put a needle into themselves for performance enhancing aspects, and it's just a strange social stigma I'd be going against. I have a few more but cbf typing them all out right now. Also, water retention on dbol depends primarily on diet and sodium intake.

Most kids do oral only cycle for a few reasons. Either they're scared of poking themselves with a needle, or have a source who is charging them $100+ bucks for a 10mL vial of test e. My advice would be to stick around here, just learn for a few months, eventually you'll get a legit source, have reputable knowledge of AAS use and a better understanding of diet/training, and then you can have a successful first cycle by the time your 25 without all the heartache. It's okay to be a newbie. Everyone was at one point.

I have an alright source, not the best but can't complain. I'm not scared of poking myself, read my reply above. Where I live customs is a fucking joke and seizes everything, and the prices here are ridiculous.

Dipking is right, local 10ml 250mg vial of Test E/ 10 ml 100 mg Mast P/ 10ml 100mg NPP went for $150 when i started and dropped to $100 for my second cycle. I wouldn't waste my time with dbol, I would run Test E, Mast p, and NPP. That was a great first cycle. Pinning is not that bad if you take your time and make sure the muscle is relaxed (easiest to pin when you wakeup and take a shower bc everything is relaxed & cleaner). Always have alcohol swabs on deck! Good luck with your cycle, like I said I would save my organs the trouble and just run the real deal.

Thanks for your advice.

 

[halfwit]

I was really close to getting test enanthate mate, but I just kept thinking that more people would think I'm on something (family, friends, work colleagues) if I did test and suddenly started getting huge and looking thick as fuck lol. I really just don't want to have to come up with excuses to people close to me, it's fucking annoying.

...SNIP...
First reason is availability where I come from - dbol is much easier to get. ...SNIP...I have a few more but cbf typing them all out right now. Also, water retention on dbol depends primarily on diet and sodium intake.

I have an alright source, not the best but can't complain. I'm not scared of poking myself, read my reply above. Where I live customs is a fucking joke and seizes everything, and the prices here are ridiculous.

You do realize that dianabol will produce faster gains than testosterone, right? It also aromatizes far greater than testosterone, so you're going to blow up like a balloon, as sodium and carbs aren't what's causing the water retention. It's the estradiol that's being shit into your system as your body is trying like a crazed madman to restore what it thinks is homeostasis in reaction to this sudden surge of androgens. So if you're worried about folks asking "what are you on?!", that's definitely not the way to go about things.

If you're going to cycle, do it right. Just because you're taking 'roids from a pill instead of a needle doesn't make it any more socially acceptable. You're still doing 'roids. I don't even want to get into the fact that dianabol is NOT a replacement for testosterone in your body. Yes, it will still afford for protein synthesis and nitrogen retention, but there are MANY parts of your endocrine system that rely on testosterone for proper function. Will it kill you to run a 4 week cycle on dbol? No. Do you risk shutting yourself down permanently and feeling like crap for a couple pounds of actual muscle mass that may or may not stick with you? Absolutely.

I don't know how dbol is easier to come by as almost every UGL I've ever frequented had both in ample supply. I do think this is a severe case of needle aversion, which is being justified by some fairly weak circumstances. Buy domestic if you're worried about customs by the way. The only place I can think of that has a crazy issue with AAS in customs would be Australia, and there are quite a few members here that get by just fine down under.

My .02c

 

[308power]

Yea i guess your right and I'm wrong I've only been in this game 10 years. Kids like you piss me off and give all juicers a bad name. The reason why test only is so you see how you react before adding other aas to the mix. Orals like dbol will shut off your natty test production just like all aas. When running test as a base you still have test in your body, but without test ypu will be shutdown causing your dick to not work and a feeling of being lethargic all day. Good luck fucking yourself up for life

I'm not trying to call you out, but that's a ton of hate there brother....

Is everyone who has ever done a pro hormone fucked for life? It doesnt really matter how long you have been in the game. A dbol only cycle is certainly not optimal, and the OP may feel that it is necessary for the wrong reasons, but you can certainly make, and keep gains at a rate faster than you could naturally on a dbol only cycle.

I guess what i'm driving at is that instead of coming across in the "you're fucked for life approach" and putting the OP n a defensive state, "I understand you have read many logs, but shutting down your endogenous testosterone production by taking dbol can cause many complications such as..." could have been more effective.

I'm just a random fuckup on a steroid board though, so take it for what you wish.

 

[SwoleKing]

You do realize that dianabol will produce faster gains than testosterone, right? It also aromatizes far greater than testosterone, so you're going to blow up like a balloon, as sodium and carbs aren't what's causing the water retention. It's the estradiol that's being shit into your system as your body is trying like a crazed madman to restore what it thinks is homeostasis in reaction to this sudden surge of androgens. So if you're worried about folks asking "what are you on?!", that's definitely not the way to go about things.

If you're going to cycle, do it right. Just because you're taking 'roids from a pill instead of a needle doesn't make it any more socially acceptable. You're still doing 'roids. I don't even want to get into the fact that dianabol is NOT a replacement for testosterone in your body. Yes, it will still afford for protein synthesis and nitrogen retention, but there are MANY parts of your endocrine system that rely on testosterone for proper function. Will it kill you to run a 4 week cycle on dbol? No. Do you risk shutting yourself down permanently and feeling like crap for a couple pounds of actual muscle mass that may or may not stick with you? Absolutely.

I don't know how dbol is easier to come by as almost every UGL I've ever frequented had both in ample supply. I do think this is a severe case of needle aversion, which is being justified by some fairly weak circumstances. Buy domestic if you're worried about customs by the way. The only place I can think of that has a crazy issue with AAS in customs would be Australia, and there are quite a few members here that get by just fine down under.

My .02c

Thanks very much for your reply bud! I know for sure I will run a testosterone only cycle next year. But I was so adamant on doing a cycle before the end of 2013 that I never got around to it due to external commitments and being busy for the majority of the time. If I start a testosterone enanthate cycle only now it will run into next year, basically meaning I can't go out and have fun on the Christmas holidays and in January next year. I'm not saying I'd go out and drink on dbol or do drugs or whatever else. I absolutely would not. I just feel that dbol, if run correctly, can be a successful cycle. Maybe not make as many gains as on test, but still effective. And I'd like to increase my strength a bit more before hitting test, if that makes sense? I want to use test to push through plateaus and anything I've stagnated on. I've seen some idiots cycle dbol with shocking diets, average workouts and little to no PCT and still do quite well. Imagine if I did everything right, trained and ate religiously, followed every protocol necessary for it to be a success. Surely I could have some success then?

I'm not trying to call you out, but that's a ton of hate there brother....

Is everyone who has ever done a pro hormone fucked for life? It doesnt really matter how long you have been in the game. A dbol only cycle is certainly not optimal, and the OP may feel that it is necessary for the wrong reasons, but you can certainly make, and keep gains at a rate faster than you could naturally on a dbol only cycle.

I guess what i'm driving at is that instead of coming across in the "you're fucked for life approach" and putting the OP n a defensive state, "I understand you have read many logs, but shutting down your endogenous testosterone production by taking dbol can cause many complications such as..." could have been more effective.

I'm just a random fuckup on a steroid board though, so take it for what you wish.

Thanks for your reply and I appreciate your feedback. There are many people who have used prohormones, oral steroids etc by themselves and made good gains. There are also many who have got poor results most likely due to their immaturity, poor workouts and terrible diets. I'm not one of those people. I honestly feel I can use dianabol as a stepping stone into the AAS scene. I'm certain I'll run testosterone enanthate next year. But like I state above, it was my intention to run some sort of AAS before the end of the year. I'm not using that as an excuse to use dbol, because I've had my mind on dbol for a while. I really think I can make it a worthwhile and effective cycle. I'm tempted to make a log just to prove some people wrong that it can be effective if used by the right person in the right mindset.

 

[Magical]

Swole there is quite a bit of knowledge from some very knowledgeable guys here. I think you know what you need to do.

 

[DipKing]

I really don't think you understand the point these fine gentlemen are trying to convey to you. You are halting the production of a vital hormone of the male body by taking in ANY exogenous hormone, oral or not. This can AND WILL have serious effects on your physical and mental well-being. Ask any of the guys around here how they felt before testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). It's not fun. Put your dick through a blender and douse it with Louisiana hot sauce and you will know the feeling.