My first cycle, how does it look?

[tjc348]

I want to run my first cycle soon with test 400. I already have access to it and don't know where to find anything else. I know someone who previously took the same stuff and saw good gains with it, except he's an idiot and didn't take ANYTHING with it, not even a PCT.

I'm 22 years old, have been lifting heavy for a little over a year. Gained about 30 lbs in the past year. I eat pretty solid with plenty of calories and carbs each day. I get plenty of sleep (about 9 hours a night), about 225 grams of protein each day, and have a pretty solid workout plan 5-6 days a week with compound lifts such as deadlifts, and squats.

I'm 5'4 150 lbs, and about 13% body fat.

Benchpress: 220lbs for 5 reps
deadlift: 300lb for 5 reps


I want to start with only 250 mg weekly to see how my body reacts. I plan to stick with 250mg weekly for the entire cycle of ten weeks.

Anyhow, this is what I was thinking:

test 400, 250 mg once a week for 10 weeks.

Starting Estrogen blocker in week 3. PES ERASE (heard it was good stuff) BUT im not sure when I stop taking the estrogen blocker? Also some people say they use Nolvadex during there cycling starting on week 3, what would be the difference?

PCT 2 weeks after last injection (clomid and nolvadex everyday for 4 weeks): Clomid 50/50/50/50/ and nolvadex 40/20/20/20

The only thing I'm confused about is the estrogen blocker and how long to take it. Is PES ERASE going to be enough?


Also, I heard that 250 mg of test e wouldn't effect live function, but I planned on taking milk thistle through out the cycle anyways. I already take milk thistle daily already and it has proven to lower liver enzymes from blood tests I've taken in the past

If someone could clarify the estrogen blocker/ inhibator that would be nice.

Other than that, what do you think about my PCT and my cycle ?

 

[Aesthetics1988]

I hope you know test 400 has 3 different esters and is 400mg/ml..
Pct looks good, having arimidex on hand for an anti e. You will probably not need it but it's good to have just in case. Liver detox is only needed for orals bro

 

[brother bundy]

dont waste your time with 250mg.Go with 400-600mg as far as the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) goes take it as needed or start from week 1

 

[mike428]

Throw out the PES erase, and look up how people used aromasin and armidex in their cycle. Also you might want to look into Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) as well for this cycle.

Your test looks fine, I'm guessing you meant 500 and not 400. Also, I would run nolva at 20/20/20/20 or 20/20/10/10 depending on how you want to do it. Check out the sticky on PCT in the Anabolic Steroid forum.

Otherwise, it's a good base for your first cycle. Now do some tweeking and you'll be good to go.

 

[tjc348]

Throw out the PES erase, and look up how people used aromasin and armidex in their cycle. Also you might want to look into Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) as well for this cycle.

Your test looks fine, I'm guessing you meant 500 and not 400. Also, I would run nolva at 20/20/20/20 or 20/20/10/10 depending on how you want to do it. Check out the sticky on PCT in the Anabolic Steroid forum.previewshots.com/images/v1.3/t.gif

Otherwise, it's a good base for your first cycle. Now do some tweeking and you'll be good to go.

Okay I did some more reading on Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and I will definitely be taking it. Do I run this the entire cycle or maybe just the second half? and how long before PTC do I stop taking the HCG?

Other question, what is similar to nolva and clomid on the RUI products website. I'm assuming they are using difference names I'm not sure which ones to get (clomid and nolva)

And what exactly is wrong with PES Erase? Just curious. I read in a few places that it was good stuff for an estrogen blocker during cycle

 

[tjc348]

I hope you know test 400 has 3 different esters and is 400mg/ml..
Pct looks good, having arimidex on hand for an anti e. You will probably not need it but it's good to have just in case. Liver detox is only needed for orals bro

So your saying if it's a 10 ml bottle then I would actually be doing 400 MG each week? I'm not good with measurements I haven't gotten that far yet but I knew I wanted to take 250 mg weekly.

And what's the downside to having 3 esters in it

 

[Aesthetics1988]

Test 400 has test prop test e and test c. Maybe you have test e?

 

[clsmth700]

test 400 400mg per 1 ml

vial has 10ml ?

 

[tjc348]

It is sitting at my buddys house. It is Test 400.

If you google test 400 it is the same thing as shown on the results with the yellow cap.

 

[JimiThing]

Okay I did some more reading on Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and I will definitely be taking it. Do I run this the entire cycle or maybe just the second half? and how long before PTC do I stop taking the HCG?

Other question, what is similar to nolva and clomid on the RUI products website. I'm assuming they are using difference names I'm not sure which ones to get (clomid and nolva)

And what exactly is wrong with PES Erase? Just curious. I read in a few places that it was good stuff for an estrogen blocker during cycle

So id do 400mgs /week. You can get an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) (aromatase inhibitr) along with your clomid and nolvadex on rui site. The names are liquidex (arimidex - your ai) , liquid tamox (nolvadex) liquid clomi (clomid).
Run your Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during cycle up to pct. run 250iu's 2x/week right up to the start of pct. Run your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) at .25 eod and run that right up to pct as well.
Why use a supplement when you can use a proven pharma compound to manage estrogen? It makes no sense to take chances. Half the crap you read about supplemenets is bs and hype from reps and people who dont know any better.
Oh also your test is a blend of esters. Id simply inject it 2x/week. Some may say more because it has prop in it. Dont bother 2x/week is fimne. ie: mon thurs 1/2 cc each day.

 

[tjc348]

So id do 400mgs /week. You can get an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) (aromatase inhibitr) along with your clomid and nolvadex on rui site. The names are liquidex (arimidex - your ai) , liquid tamox (nolvadex) liquid clomi (clomid).
Run your Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during cycle up to post cycle therapy (pct). run 250iu's 2x/week right up to the start of post cycle therapy (pct). Run your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) at .25 eod and run that right up to post cycle therapy (pct) as well.
Why use a supplement when you can use a proven pharma compound to manage estrogen? It makes no sense to take chances. Half the crap you read about supplemenets is bs and hype from reps and people who dont know any better.
Oh also your test is a blend of esters. Id simply inject it 2x/week. Some may say more because it has prop in it. Dont bother 2x/week is fimne. ie: mon thurs 1/2 cc each day.

Sounds like some good advice. I will definitely be taking the arimidex and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during cycle.

So HCG: 250 iu's twice a week?

Do I take .25 eod of arimidex just once a week?

and when is the best time to take the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and Arimidex. Same day as injections of test or does it matter? Can they be taken at the same time?

And you suggest that I continue the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and Arimidex for 2 weeks after my last injection before my post cycle therapy (pct)? I was reading that Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and arimidex should be stopped at the same time as the cycle and take 2 weeks off everything until post cycle therapy (pct). That's the only reason I ask.

 

[JimiThing]

Sounds like some good advice. I will definitely be taking the arimidex and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during cycle.

So HCG: 250 iu's twice a week? Yes

Do I take .25 eod of arimidex just once a week? eod stands for every other day..so .25mg every other day

and when is the best time to take the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and Arimidex. Same day as injections of test or does it matter? Can they be taken at the same time? doesnt matter ...dont mix Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) with test..you wont be able to get amount correct

And you suggest that I continue the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and Arimidex for 2 weeks after my last injection before my post cycle therapy (pct)? I was reading that Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and arimidex should be stopped at the same time as the cycle and take 2 weeks off everything until PCT. That's the only reason I ask.

See Bold above.
Rub Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) abd arimidex up to pct....then start serms. Dr Scally "hcg ceased and use of serm begum immediately".
Also the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) should be used as test will be clearing satill some strogen and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) also cause some aromatization.
Best of luck.

 

[tjc348]

See Bold above.
Rub Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) abd arimidex up to pct....then start serms. Dr Scally "hcg ceased and use of serm begum immediately".
Also the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) should be used as test will be clearing satill some strogen and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) also cause some aromatization.
Best of luck.

Thanks alot man you really helped alot, and from further research, what you suggested seems to be very effective

Ill make a thread when I start my cycle with some progress pics and such

Also, one more question. Is 400 mg a week going to be safe to take considering my heightht/weight. Im a pretty small dude

 

[JimiThing]

yes is a conservative to moderate dose imo.
Ill be following your log.
Best of luck

 

[tjc348]

yes is a conservative to moderate dose imo.
Ill be following your log.
Best of luck

Tried to message you but it wouldn't work. so I guess I have to post it here

Would it be a big deal if I didn't take Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) on my 10 week cycle? and possibly just did the arimidex during, and nolva and clomid for PCT?

I know people say it keeps your boys alive if you take Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), but I haven't been able to find it anywhere? and plus, the thought of 4 injections a week seems like a lot.

If you still think it's absolutely necessary, and won't cause any real issues, then I will try to get a hold of it and man up with the injections.

Is there a possibility I could take clomid during the cycle instead? I heard that it does close to the same thing as Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during a cycle?

 

[JimiThing]

Tried to message you but it wouldn't work. so I guess I have to post it here

Would it be a big deal if I didn't take Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) on my 10 week cycle? and possibly just did the arimidex during, and nolva and clomid for PCT?

I know people say it keeps your boys alive if you take Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), but I haven't been able to find it anywhere? and plus, the thought of 4 injections a week seems like a lot.

If you still think it's absolutely necessary, and won't cause any real issues, then I will try to get a hold of it and man up with the injections.

Is there a possibility I could take clomid during the cycle instead? I heard that it does close to the same thing as Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during a cycle?

The only thing clomid would do on a cycle is selectively block the estrogen receptor (like in breast tissue). It will do nothing like Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) when you are shut down with high test levels present. You dont need it with the ai.
You could skip the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) but it will help recovery ...your call.

 

[tjc348]

The only thing clomid would do on a cycle is selectively block the estrogen receptor (like in breast tissue). It will do nothing like Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) when you are shut down with high test levels present. You dont need it with the ai.
You could skip the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) but it will help recovery ...your call.

Okay. But I should recover fully with the nolva and clomid for post cycle therapy (pct) alone?

Just don't want to lose size on my balls because I chose to do away with the HGC. if it is temporary then I can deal with that if they will come back to normal size and it won't mess with my libido or sex life

 

[2dogsfighting]

So here it is to whoever can gimmi advice,
34 male,
weight 190
height 5'8
i think body fat is about 20,
just been on nandrolone deca 4ml pw 4 weeks in,now going onto test400,first time test,what does you think is needed and how long to kick in,do i need to keep taking deca?
also im just wanting to tone up get bf down,im not pro or nothin,just like to get my youth physic back,i do my boxing traing and havnt started lifting heavey yet,just high reps at a light wieght getting the burn,diet is in check,
oats brecky
friut snacks
chicken or salmon with veg for inbetween meals,
will have a protien shake after workout,
any adviceof you juicers please.