My First Cycle with Testosterone E and Winstrol

[pegex]

Hi, I am about to start my first steroid cycle.

I am 5' 8" , 23 years old (I know you will say that's too young, but I'm sure I want to become a bodybuilder)
I weigh 67kg, 10-11% BF.
I have been lifting for about 5 years (2 years since I became a PT and really knew what I was doing)
I'm pretty content with my diet and lifting routine - which I know I will have to adjust once my cycle begins.

So here it is :

Week 1-12: 500mg test e (250mg on Saturday mornings and Tuesday evenings)
Week 8-12: winstrol (oral) 30-50mg ED
Week 14: clomid 100mg ED
nolva 40mg ED
Week 15-18: clomid 50mg ED
nolva 20mg ED

I will adjust the winstrol dose to how my bodys feeling at the time e.g. dry feeling joints.
I have been researching this for a while now so I'm pretty sure I got a good first cycle. However I would really like to know your thoughts on it, especially regarding the PCT.

I am so excited to get started. I will get some before pics up soon and I'll keep this updated as my cycle progresses.

Any help at all would be very much appreciated

 

[louman]

First cycle I would stick to just test and let it body see how I respond to one thing at a time. And only introduce one new compound at a time that way u can see how it affects u and if any problems occurs u know what caused it. If u introduce multiple things u can only speculate what is causing the problems or gains. Just my opinion

 

[pegex]

First cycle I would stick to just test and let it body see how I respond to one thing at a time. And only introduce one new compound at a time that way u can see how it affects u and if any problems occurs u know what caused it. If u introduce multiple things u can only speculate what is causing the problems or gains. Just my opinion

Thanks for the reply louman. Ok I see your point, but after being on test for the first 8 week would I not already know if there are any problems it's caused or could they still occur in the last 4 weeks of the cycle? Taking the winny out is no big issue for me as I'm sure I will get great results with the test, it's only coz I have a large amount of winny sat in my draw now

 

[pegex]

I was also wondering if HCG is necessary for this cycle? I've read a lot on this, seems to be a hot topic, I reckon if I include it this cycle I will need it every cycle, which I would rather avoid and surely my cycle is basic enough to not need it right?

 

[pegex]

Here are a few pictures of myself before I start my first cycle:
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I am not after any judgement, it's purely to log my progress

 

[louman]

I was also wondering if HCG is necessary for this cycle? I've read a lot on this, seems to be a hot topic, I reckon if I include it this cycle I will need it every cycle, which I would rather avoid and surely my cycle is basic enough to not need it right?

I don't think u need HCG necessarily but it won't hurt. IMO I would stick with just test for first cycle save the other stuff when u need more to make gains. Your first cycle will probably ne your best even with just test

 

[tbonexl]

Where's your ai for your cycle? How about nolva for pct?

 

[Rastas]

You could get A LOT bigger without gear looking at your current physique, but you're obviously after fast gains. Fuck the Winstrol off it is a competition drug. Do testosterone only.

 

[louman]

You could get A LOT bigger without gear looking at your current physique, but you're obviously after fast gains. Fuck the Winstrol off it is a competition drug. Do testosterone only.

Ya exactly if anything add a dbol or anadrol kickstart but is save that for second cycle

 

[pegex]

Ok so the winstrol is being fucked off for now, I will just stick to test for the first cycle.

I think I will also go for the HCG as I don't fancy having tiny balls

Tbonexl, Am I missing something with AI's, I thought nolva would help with any sides I get on cycle? Do I need some aromasin or adex as well? I am worried about fucking my endo system up so I wana do this properly, but the less stuff I need the better IMO.

 

[Megatron28]

Ok so the winstrol is being fucked off for now, I will just stick to test for the first cycle.

I think I will also go for the HCG as I don't fancy having tiny balls

Tbonexl, Am I missing something with AI's, I thought nolva would help with any sides I get on cycle? Do I need some aromasin or adex as well? I am worried about fucking my endo system up so I wana do this properly, but the less stuff I need the better IMO.

Nolva is a SERM, not an AI. They are different classes of drugs.

 

[pegex]

Thanks for your help everyone, taking into account everything you've said and what I've found out recently my new cycle would look like this :

Week 1-12: Test e 500mg (250mg twice a week), HCG 500ui (250ui twice a week), Arimidex EOD 0.25mg
Week 14-18: Clomid 100/50/50/50, Nolva 40/20/20/20

Think I've got everything I need to get started now, let me know if there is anything I'm missing. Thanks

 

[Megatron28]

Thanks for your help everyone, taking into account everything you've said and what I've found out recently my new cycle would look like this :

Week 1-12: Test e 500mg (250mg twice a week), HCG 500ui (250ui twice a week), Arimidex EOD 0.25mg
Week 14-18: Clomid 100/50/50/50, Nolva 40/20/20/20

Think I've got everything I need to get started now, let me know if there is anything I'm missing. Thanks

Pre, mid and post cycle blood work. Do you know where to get this done and what panels to run? And wait until you are 25 years old so your brain can finish developing.

 

[pegex]

Pre, mid and post cycle blood work. Do you know where to get this done and what panels to run? And wait until you are 25 years old so your brain can finish developing.

No I don't know where to get this done, I live in England and I'm sure my doctor would be too happy if I told him I was planning on using AAS. I don't know what you mean by what panels to run, what are panels lol? I have just paid for my gear and it's in the post, do you think starting too young will be seriously detrimental to my health?
Excuse my ignorance and all the questions just trying to learn.

 

[Megatron28]

I wouldn't advise waiting until your endocrine system is developed if I didn't think it was important. You gear will keep if stored in a cool dark place.

In england it is tougher to get labs. You don't have private ones in the US. But blood work is essential to cycling. Figure out how other guys over there are doing it.

At a minimum you need to get:

CBC (complete blood count)
Metabolic Profile
Total testosterone
Estradiol (sensitive assay)
LH
FSH

You need this before you cycle to know what your baseline is. During the cycle to see if everything is dialed in properly (e.g. AI dose). After the cycle to see if you have recovered properly. You compare post cycle numbers to pre cycle numbers.

A panel is a group of labs. For example, the CBC has something like 14 blood tests in it.

Asking questions is good. We all had to learn this stuff at one point. Not like they teach this stuff to us in grade school. . I hope you are reading everything you can devour on this website. Most questions have been asked before at one time or another.

 

[pegex]

I wouldn't advise waiting until your endocrine system is developed if I didn't think it was important. You gear will keep if stored in a cool dark place.

In england it is tougher to get labs. You don't have private ones in the US. But blood work is essential to cycling. Figure out how other guys over there are doing it.

At a minimum you need to get:

CBC (complete blood count)
Metabolic Profile
Total testosterone
Estradiol (sensitive assay)
LH
FSH

You need this before you cycle to know what your baseline is. During the cycle to see if everything is dialed in properly (e.g. AI dose). After the cycle to see if you have recovered properly. You compare post cycle numbers to pre cycle numbers.

A panel is a group of labs. For example, the CBC has something like 14 blood tests in it.

Asking questions is good. We all had to learn this stuff at one point. Not like they teach this stuff to us in grade school. . I hope you are reading everything you can devour on this website. Most questions have been asked before at one time or another.

Thanks for the info, reps for you. I will take your advise and find out how to get blood work done over here, I can see why it's so important.

I would like to say I will wait until in 25 but I'm pretty set on it. I've read a lot on what age is the 'right' age (if there is one) and got mixed opinions. You have postponed my first cycle for a while, at least until I can get some blood work done.

I will continue to read all I can on AAS and hopefully I'll be an expert before I begin my first cycle and be able help others, like you've helped me.

 

[Megatron28]

Make sure you read up on HPTA and brain development. Yours is still developing. Would you tell kids to run AAS before completing puberty? Kind of the same thing with the brain.

 

[tbonexl]

I give u props for doing your homework! Not a lot of noobs want to research and just keep posting the same thread over and over. I'll respect u for doing your research and taking a responsible approach to using gear. Good luck to u!

 

[pegex]

Thanks man. I love doing the research and learning about stuff I'm interested in IMO knowledge is the difference between use and abuse.
FTR, apparently blood work in England can be done by your GP if your clever about it and you have a good GP, if not then bloodtestingservice.com/ seems to be the way to go - if you have deep pockets.

 

[Megatron28]

I give u props for doing your homework! Not a lot of noobs want to research and just keep posting the same thread over and over. I'll respect u for doing your research and taking a responsible approach to using gear. Good luck to u!

This is great. A lot of people in the UK will be glad to know about this service.