My first proper cycle.

[Sharmacus]

It's come the time where I think I'm ready to start pinning and begin proper cycles. My current stats are 21Y, 185CM, 81KG and 12BF. I'm naturally an ectomorph with lean muscle tissues and the unfortunate genetics of building muscle slowly. I've got a good diet at the moment (five to six meals daily depending on work and uni schedules) and I haven't had a cheat meal in over two months.

So my proposed cycle at the moment is something along the lines of: 500MG testosterone enanthate split into twice a week (weeks 1-12), 500MG TUDCA daily (weeks 1-16), 10MG Aromasin EOD (weeks 1-12) and Nolvadex at 40/40/20/20 (weeks 14-18). The above is a rough outline at the moment so criticism is welcomed. I'm still a bit confused on a few subjects though so I also have a few questions. Firstly, is HCG absolutely necessary when I'm dosing testosterone enanthate at 500MG a week? Secondly, is Nolvadex at 40/40/20/20 sufficient for PCT, or must Clomid be included also? Thirdly, I've got some Albuterol on hand and was wondering if it could be run during my cycle to keep fat to a minimum or would it be best to wait until after the cycle? Finally, what sort of gains could I expect taking into consideration a perfectly clean diet, my above statistics and the fact I'm not at my genetic maximum?

 

[fancyhuh101]

hcg is a nice add on to a cycle to kickstrt the testes again before pct in order to allow smoother recovery , however choice is yours ... its not absolutuley manditory. your nolva doses are sufficient , however again , choice is your , there is a strong belief that clomid and nolva work better and best together , i wouldnt use the albuteral , not a fan of stims ,however if u do ... DONT use it after cycle , this is when your test levels are low and u need to be eating properly and not playing with calories to maintain mass while u recover , use it on cycle if u have to . U can gain between 10-20lb . rest of cycle looks fine

 

[Sharmacus]

hcg is a nice add on to a cycle to kickstrt the testes again before post cycle therapy (pct) in order to allow smoother recovery , however choice is yours ... its not absolutuley manditory. your nolva doses are sufficient , however again , choice is your , there is a strong belief that clomid and nolva work better and best together , i wouldnt use the albuteral , not a fan of stims ,however if u do ... DONT use it after cycle , this is when your test levels are low and u need to be eating properly and not playing with calories to maintain mass while u recover , use it on cycle if u have to . U can gain between 10-20lb . rest of cycle looks fine

Thanks for your reply. So you would definitely recommend Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG)? I'd rather be safe than sorry to be honest and money isn't currently an issue. I don't know much about it though - do you inject HCG or is it taken orally? I've seen a few products listed as HCG online which are just capsules I believe. In regards to the post cycle therapy (pct), I just feel that the addition of Clomid to Nolvadex is a bit overkill for a testosterone only cycle at 250MG. The Albuterol apparently has strength gains associated with it (nothing compared to test obviously but still there) so it's tempting to try it on cycle. The only problem is I don't want a raised body temperature or increased heart rate when on cycle, would seem like a pointless risk to take.

Do you really think I could gain 10-20LB with only 250MG of test for twelve weeks? That sounds awesome to be honest. I rarely have cheat meals anymore and haven't in over two months so my diet isn't an issue. What percentage of gains is usually kept post cycle on average would you say?

 

[fancyhuh101]

yes i recommend hcg , it if injected sub-q meaning into the fat ( with a small insulin needle) , hcg comes in vials and like white powder , the hcg capsules and diet supplements that are sold are all scam . also NO i dont believe u can put on 10-20lb of in 12 weeks at 250mg . on 500mg yes its possible . 500 is what u stated in your thread ... "250MG testosterone enanthate twice a week " which = 500mg per week . u can keep probably 80% with a good pct

 

[fancyhuh101]

to run a cycle at 250 mg is POINTLESS < u are basicly shutting yourself down for a little more then equivalent to natural dose of test . that dose is practicly what is prescribed for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patients = mimics natural test production . so u shut yourself down and have all the risks of recovery for nothing ,run test at 500mg or not at all .

 

[SolomonGrundy]

500 mg a week will work well for you, and aromasin has a nice secondary effect of freeing test and lowering sgbg ;-) , wish i was young and could go eod, but water retention causes high blood pressure
please get blood work done at the mid point and if you can before too. we love to see success stories

 

[Sharmacus]

to run a cycle at 250 mg is POINTLESS < u are basicly shutting yourself down for a little more then equivalent to natural dose of test . that dose is practicly what is prescribed for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patients = mimics natural test production . so u shut yourself down and have all the risks of recovery for nothing ,run test at 500mg or not at all .

I meant only 250/300MG a week. Some people say you should do 250MG a week to see how you react, others say it's too small of a dose and that 500MG should be used for a first cycle to see real gains. I think 250/300MG is still something like five times the average production of testosterone, so surely some gains would be made? I've got nothing against going up to 500MG per week, but increasing the dose also increases the risks and side effects?

500 mg a week will work well for you, and aromasin has a nice secondary effect of freeing test and lowering sgbg ;-) , wish i was young and could go eod, but water retention causes high blood pressure
please get blood work done at the mid point and if you can before too. we love to see success stories

Do you mean going EOD for the Aromasin? Is that a bit overkill for me? Taking into account that I'm trying to do everything the safest as possible. This is my first cycle and I don't want to be doing amounts that the average user does. Isn't it important to get blood work before, during and post cycle?

 

[Sharmacus]

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[mongosmash]

Would go to 400 mg test BARE minimum or just wasting your time and money really.

 

[Sharmacus]

Would go to 400 mg test BARE minimum or just wasting your time and money really.

Okay thanks. Another question. I don't have gyno but I naturally have fat build up around my pec area. Does this mean I'd be more sensitive to gyno and more likely to get it? It's strange because I'm an ectomorph yet still have tiny bits of fat.

 

[Vino 1]

Definetely don't do less than 500mg test a week. As stated before anything less is pointless. The sides shouldn't be too bad. I'd run Arimidex at .25-.5mg eod for gyno prevention. Are u more prone due to a bit of fat around your pecs? Prolly not but everyone reacts differently. I don't get gyno for the most part but I run tw adex to keep estrogen levels down. And yes blood work before, during, after is the safest way. Also, you will find u get more responses if u keep your posts a bit shorter. Sounds kinda crap but it's true

 

[fancyhuh101]

if u are running an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) u will be good . a bit of fat build up near the nipples wont increases your chances of gyno . as long as u keep estrogen in control , u will be fine . higher body fats will have more problem with estrogen .

 

[Fieldsy]

Make sure you run your clomid during post cycle therapy (pct). It works best for testie recoup.

Dont go less than 500mg wk. Vets wouldnt be telling noobs like yourself to do that amount if it wasnt "safe".

 

[Sharmacus]

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