my second cycle test only

Hypnotix said:
All this guy had to say was, I'm willing to take the risk.. it's clear he's listening, just not letting it sink in and accept that he's taking a larger chance than he would if he waited just a little longer.

Right now, after reading all this, I'm even considering waiting another year.

If I go on TRT it will have to be worth it.. I honestly am not scared of the shut down, or having to inject twice a week for life.. but if the reward of doing so was only 20-30lbs, fuck that, it will have to be to be competitive somehow.
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There is not proof that waiting at 25 as opposed to 23 will have a neglible effect. All the "information" that has been posted as been to do with HPTA/brain development, ask for HPTA proof and you will not find any. Docotrs believe test levels stop inclining at 21, but they are not too sure,there might be a 5% variation imho between 21 and waiting at 30, but here is the mind blowing FACT eating a good diet will have a massive impact on your test levels. How many people actually eat 700g greens? Or salmon daily? 4 cloves of garlic? nah they take "multis" which have been proved to do.... nothing. I accept there is an impact at starting at 23 opposed to 25, but there are bigger things to worry about like my micronutrient intake.
 
Siamakdieded said:
There is not proof that waiting at 25 as opposed to 23 will have a neglible effect. All the "information" that has been posted as been to do with HPTA/brain development, ask for HPTA proof and you will not find any. Docotrs believe test levels stop inclining at 21, but they are not too sure,there might be a 5% variation imho between 21 and waiting at 30, but here is the mind blowing FACT eating a good diet will have a massive impact on your test levels. How many people actually eat 700g greens? Or salmon daily? 4 cloves of garlic? nah they take "multis" which have been proved to do.... nothing. I accept there is an impact at starting at 23 opposed to 25, but there are bigger things to worry about like my micronutrient intake.
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Really?

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Me coming from the health care professional field I have read a lot of studies on this issue of age and maturity. And the best known fact is that it comes down to your individual genetics of when you hit puberty and became fully grown in the sense of your body not brain. After your body is done growing for males around average 16-18 years old your brain still will develops for roughly 5-7 years after that so the number for any specific person to where it would be safer in terms of development is really determined by their own body. I know many people will disagree with me on this but the genetics of people is going to determine a lot about there body. Including when brain development is finished. When I was in college we had to run different tests about this compared to when we stopped growing so for me I was fully developed at the age 22-23 because I stopped growing body wise when I was 17. So there will always be debate on this subject due to the fact that it can vary so so much. Is it safer to wait longer well of course because then you know for sure you are developed all the way. I don't mean the ramble there have always been a lot of discussions about this issue, and always will be but whatever you do just be the safest you can and you always need to think long term also.
 
Siamakdieded said:
There is not proof that waiting at 25 as opposed to 23 will have a neglible effect. All the "information" that has been posted as been to do with HPTA/brain development, ask for HPTA proof and you will not find any. Docotrs believe test levels stop inclining at 21, but they are not too sure,there might be a 5% variation imho between 21 and waiting at 30, but here is the mind blowing FACT eating a good diet will have a massive impact on your test levels. How many people actually eat 700g greens? Or salmon daily? 4 cloves of garlic? nah they take "multis" which have been proved to do.... nothing. I accept there is an impact at starting at 23 opposed to 25, but there are bigger things to worry about like my micronutrient intake.
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What you fail to understand is that the brain & endocrine system are interlinked, its not a one or the other type of deal.

Theoretically, lets say you cycled before your brain was done developing & this caused permanent long term alterations.
Those alterations will NOT be isolated to the brain, it wil trickle down to the endocrine system as a whole including the hpta - you would know this if you read any basic neurology textbook.
Goodluck finding anything that ONLY effects the brain & leaves the rest of your body in perfect condition.

I agree that micronutrient intake is important for natural test levels.
But there is NO solid evidence showing that simple dieting changes would help test levels recover from early cycle use - none.
If it was as simple as that then you wouldnt have a bunch of hypogonadal guys on trt.

Also, you keep saying "doctors believe..." and yet I come from a family of endocronoligists who disagree with you.
Strange that the studies, and real doctors in my family, disagree with the things you claim these imaginary doctors believe isn't it? :)
 
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Megatron28 said:
Siam, another question for you. Why only 31 posts in two years? It is one thing to make a post to ask for help but why aren't you returning the favor and helping other guys on the forum? I would like to encourage you to share your experience and knowledge here. Pay it forward.
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I gotta disagree slightly with you here Mega (there's a 1st time for everything!)

If I was a newbie, I wouldn't be wanting advice from someone who doesn't really know the game... I'd rather the vets chime in and give me advice based on life experience and past cycle knowledge.

I do agree that his post count should be higher - but this should be from sensible and constructive questioning, not from giving ill-informed advice.

No offense meant, just stating my thoughts buddy :)

BigBen
 
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but it seriously seems like the OP is set in his ways..

OP, we have given you the advice you need to hear.. if you came here looking for community validatio or justification on what youre about to do you wont find it here..


ology members are responsible people.. thats what makes this forum beautiful

educate before you medicate.. its your body, you only get one
 
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bigben66 said:
I gotta disagree slightly with you here Mega (there's a 1st time for everything!)

If I was a newbie, I wouldn't be wanting advice from someone who doesn't really know the game... I'd rather the vets chime in and give me advice based on life experience and past cycle knowledge.

I do agree that his post count should be higher - but this should be from sensible and constructive questioning, not from giving ill-informed advice.

No offense meant, just stating my thoughts buddy :)

BigBen
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No offense taken whatsoever. Keep in mind he has been a member here since 2012. I think there are lots of ways to participate at 'Ology. I just like to see guys try to give back to the community.
 
yes, we want to encourage our members to post.. its the members that make ology!
 
Even if they clearly have no idea what they are talking about? (OP: Point in fact)
I'd rather them get their post count up asking sensible questions than giving crap advice!
 
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