Natural bodybuilder looking to take first cycle. need help with choosing a steriod

[1234roach1234]

Hi folks! Thanks for having me in the forum and reading my post. I am new here and fairly unknowledgable about steriods and types. I do know the basics though and are familer with some names but more unclear on making a proper stack. My measurments are 5 foot 10 inch at 205 off season weight and 183 competiton weight. I usally hold anywhere between a 4% and 12%bodyfat depending if im on season or not. So basically i compete in Mens Physique which a lot of you dont like but i started doing bodybuilding my first two shows and won both but then i did physique and liked it. So basically i have been developing my physique and after 3 years of gym 5 times a week im where i need to be minus my upper chest and chest. I have done some natural bulks and prohormones and cant get the results quickly enough. in physique you need to stay proportionate and the rest of my body is where it needs to be. So im looking for advice and putting some good size on my chest. I know by default the rest of my body will grow but if i get to big i will cross the bodybuilder/mens ohysiqe line. So im looking for either a somewhat mild steriod that wont add a lot of extra weight i have to cut or doing a more potent maybe deca and test stack for a shorter amount off time. I dont know. Im not sure how it works. I dont want to use a cutting steriod to help with the cut for a my show. I want to add the size and cut naturally. My show is in 18 weeks. What would someone recommend? Deca and test? Test alone? And how far out from the show would i use the roid if i cut the last 6 weeks of the 18 week prep? Also, 4 week cycle? 6 weeks? 8 weeks? Not sure how long you are supposed to stay on for my situation. Thanks

 

[dj2dirk41]

You don't have enough time. Test cycle needs to be minimum 12 weeks I guess you could do a test ana Anavar (var) cycle. Test for 12 weeks and Anavar (var) for weeks 7 to 14 then pct

 

[1234roach1234]

Ok what is anavar at whag does it do. when would i want to end my cycle before aa show? Or would i do the show in the middle of my cycle to look best? Why test so long? Dont they have lije 8 week cycles?

 

[dj2dirk41]

I've always used test e cuz you only need to inject 2 a week. So I don't know if you could do a test p or c cycle for shorter but the only cut cycle I've done it
Week 1-12 test 500mg a week
Week 7-14 Anavar (var) at 50mg everyday
Start pct week 14 for 4 weeks

You will need to do all the rest of research there's a basic cycle for you

 

[old&stacked]

Stickys stickys stickys read and learn. Theres a ton of o formation. Once you do the reading and figure out a few things then you can ask questions. If you have done natural BB competitions then you already know that 90% of how you grow is what you either put or dont put in your mouth. AAS just lets you make better use of it.

Now get to reading.

 

[comrade00]

Hope you are 25 or older..
For your first cycle you should run Test only, either Test-E or Test-C(dont matter IMO both are very identical)
Read stickies! You need a PCT for after you are done and a little bit while you are on the cycle if you dont want to be wearing a bra to your completion
Also learn how to aspirate before your first injection.
Good luck

 

[1234roach1234]

Ok thanks you guys. I know i have some reading to do. Now with all the steriods oit there i didnt want to spend countless hours researching steriods i have no intentions of using. Now that you have pointed me in the right direction it will narrow my search i can find out whether Test e which i believe is a long term and Test c which i believe is a short term and see which one is right for me. I also am familer with PCT and thats not as hard to figure out since PCT is and there isnt to much varience there. Thank you

 

[1234roach1234]

Stickys stickys stickys read and learn. Theres a ton of o formation. Once you do the reading and figure out a few things then you can ask questions. If you have done natural BB competitions then you already know that 90% of how you grow is what you either put or dont put in your mouth. AAS just lets you make better use of it.

Now get to reading.

I have done reading. Maybe not on this site bit i have general knowledge. Now i jad some questions and that is what a forum is for. Thats why i asked on this forum. Please dont tell me when i can and when i cant talk. Im sure your used to dealing with punk teenagers wanting to juice up for highschool prom and you feel uou can talk down on them. Im a grown ass man. Im 27 with a kid of my own so i dont need someone trolling around the forum trying to play a father figure. Your not my dad so quit acting like it. Thanks

 

[whitelml]

I have done reading. Maybe not on this site bit i have general knowledge. Now i jad some questions and that is what a forum is for. Thats why i asked on this forum. Please dont tell me when i can and when i cant talk. Im sure your used to dealing with punk teenagers wanting to juice up for highschool prom and you feel uou can talk down on them. Im a grown ass man. Im 27 with a kid of my own so i dont need someone trolling around the forum trying to play a father figure. Your not my dad so quit acting like it. Thanks

He is honestly trying to you. From what u just posted about test e and c you do not have general knowledge. A little bit of reading the stickies will go a long way. We all have to start sumwhere and that is what the stickies are for. Just one paragraph may answer ten of your questions. Tryin to guide you bro not talk down

 

[comrade00]

Ok thanks you guys. I know i have some reading to do. Now with all the steriods oit there i didnt want to spend countless hours researching steriods i have no intentions of using.

You SHOULD research steroids in general since they all work the same so you understand what it does to your body.
Only thing that is nothing like AAS is HGH but thats a whole other thing.

Oh and Test-E and Test-C is almost the same exact thing, one is not short or long term, they are practically twins.

 

[1234roach1234]

ok thanks. I can take it from here. Goodlick to you guys.Id rather ise steriods and make somethinv happen then use them and sit around and talk about it all day anyways. I will ask a docotor next time.

 

[comrade00]

ok thanks. I can take it from here. Goodlick to you guys.Id rather ise steriods and make somethinv happen then use them and sit around and talk about it all day anyways. I will ask a doctor next time.

Knowledge=power.
Ignorance(like thinking your doctor will tell you everything you need to know about roids LOL)=your balls falling off.

Good luck, to your balls.

 

[1234roach1234]

I appreciate the info djdirk gave. It was a simple answer to my question without the other stuff. When im say doctor im referring to a doctor who practices bodybulding and use steriods. Their are doctors who use. Im not taking about my general doctor so dont be ignorant like that. I just wanted some discreet info but dealing with the most the crowd here is like pulling teeth. Thats why i will talk to a doctor. I give the benifit of the doubt since u guys use and ask for advice but then half of you want to act like hard ons and i just dont want to deal with it. Djdirk already gave me the proper info.

 

[1234roach1234]

Thank you whitelfl for the non attackful clarafication. Bit what you guys think is general knowledge isnt all the time. Just because you are around it all the time it may seem general but it isnt. You go ask a person what testosterone is and they will look at you funny but probably know what your talking about. You start talking test e and c and everything else and they are going to be completely lost. Knowing what test is is general. Knowing the diffrent types of test is advandced.

 

[SicVic]

Doctors will be like ohhhh noo noo nooo, dat is vevy bad, you strong guy enough u don't need that stuff. If you come to them with 247 nanograms of testosterone, they will bike "ooooh you are fine, thats a great level, u healthy young man, u dun wan to much of testosterone cuz you can bus up your prostate and become very meann very meannnnn. You will also get too many ladies, Ouiiiii you don't want that now do you." You prob won't get much help from your doctor, unless you get a sick doctor thats all buff in stuff. But what are the chances of that?

 

[SicVic]

Depends on your goal.

 

[1234roach1234]

Sicvic i stated my goals in my original post. And i also said i will be going to a doctor who uses. Its not hard since in live in southern california and already involved in the competition community. Its not like im sitting in the middle of b f e, population 1,400. I know a couple. I have access to that but wanted discreet info so i can do the rest of the research on my own. I also mentioned that.

 

[Nightmare007]

Test prop 150mg eod 13weeks
Anavar 100mg ed 12 weeks
Aromasin 12.5mg ed 13weeks
Clenbuterol 2 on 2 off 16 weeks
Winstrol 50m ed last 4 weeks

Pct
Clomid 50/50/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20

This is something like a precontest cycle

 

[SicVic]

Sicvic i stated my goals in my original post. And i also said i will be going to a doctor who uses. Its not hard since in live in southern california and already involved in the competition community. Its not like im sitting in the middle of b f e, population 1,400. I know a couple. I have access to that but wanted discreet info so i can do the rest of the research on my own. I also mentioned that.

If the doctor knows and cares then thats cool. But also do your research just to make sure everythings good, You'd be surprised at what doctors don't know. Thank goodness for ology.

 

[3ct]

Thank you whitelfl for the non attackful clarafication. Bit what you guys think is general knowledge isnt all the time. Just because you are around it all the time it may seem general but it isnt. You go ask a person what testosterone is and they will look at you funny but probably know what your talking about. You start talking test e and c and everything else and they are going to be completely lost. Knowing what test is is general. Knowing the diffrent types of test is advandced.

that's why this board has a search feature and the stickys at the top of the forum to help answer all those questions. also, when i first came here I did not start posting and asking stupid questions because I could see from the discussions everything I wanted to know was already being discussed. the basic stuff you want to know has already been discussed multiple times, and can easily be found with a search. whenever I wanted to know something, i would think about posting but, then, i'd go to the search and always found what i wanted to know. by the time i was ready to start my first cycle i had already known everything without having to ask anything. there's a lot of knowledge on this board, why go to your one doc and get one person's opinion on the subject, when you can find all the knowledge here from multiple people.