Nearing End Of 1st Cycle + Help With Next

[Psychotron]

I'm nearing the end of my first cycle. Here's what I ran.

Week 1-15: Test Enth @ 500mg/week [250mg Shots On Monday & Thursday]
Week 1-15: Adex @ .5mg EOD
Week 1-15: Proscar @ 1.25mg ED

Hair:
RegenePure Shampoo
Lipogaine
Microneedle Skin Care System

post cycle therapy (pct) [starts 2 weeks after last shot] [lasts 4 weeks]
Week 1-4: Clomid @*50mg ED
Week 1-4:*Nolva @ 20mg ED

The experience was mostly positive. I gained a decent amount of strength. I was up 30 lbs at one point but I was way too over zealous with the diet and was gaining more fat than I wanted so I adjusted the diet and dropped 10 lbs. So, I'm up 20 lbs total this far. The only side effects that I experienced were excessive sweating and a bit of hair loss in the crown despite what I've done to prevent it. The only other thing that I wasn't crazy about was the injections. I pinned the quads and I found that if you don't hit the sweet spot then it's not going to be fun. I suspect that this is only because I'm new to this though. When I hit the sweet spot the needle would go in with virtually no pain or resistance at all though.

This brings me to my question. I want to see what you guys think of this for the next cycle. Also, should I take the Adex until I start post cycle therapy (pct) or stop after the last injection? Does it matter? Thanks.

Week 1 to ?: .5mg of arimidex EOD
Week 1 to 4-6: 30mg of D-bol ED
Week 1 to 10: 600mg of EQ
Week 1 to 10: 750mg of Test

post cycle therapy (pct): Same as 1st cycle or will it not be enough?

 

[SquadLeader]

I would change the Nolvadex dosage I would do 4 weeks like as stated 60/40/40/20. The clomid dosage looks fine. During pct your testosterone levels are trying to recover. This gives estrogen a chance to become dominant and it will make an attempt . On cycle your body was used to having much higher levels of testosterone causing the body to compensate by balancing hormone levels out. Testosterone aromatizes but your Arimidex should of helped take care of that. The thing is your body is still in the habit of having higher than normal Testosterone levels, and estrogen is going to be involved in that habit therefore creating somewhat of a rebound affect. I would highly advise you continue an anti estrogen at a low dose throughout pct.

 

[PaiN iiS pLeasuRE]

I'm nearing the end of my first cycle. Here's what I ran.

Week 1-15: Test Enth @ 500mg/week [250mg Shots On Monday & Thursday]
Week 1-15: Adex @ .5mg EOD
Week 1-15: Proscar @ 1.25mg ED

Hair:
RegenePure Shampoo
Lipogaine
Microneedle Skin Care System

PCT [starts 2 weeks after last shot] [lasts 4 weeks]
Week 1-4: Clomid @*50mg ED
Week 1-4:*Nolva @ 20mg ED

The experience was mostly positive. I gained a decent amount of strength. I was up 30 lbs at one point but I was way too over zealous with the diet and was gaining more fat than I wanted so I adjusted the diet and dropped 10 lbs. So, I'm up 20 lbs total this far. The only side effects that I experienced were excessive sweating and a bit of hair loss in the crown despite what I've done to prevent it. The only other thing that I wasn't crazy about was the injections. I pinned the quads and I found that if you don't hit the sweet spot then it's not going to be fun. I suspect that this is only because I'm new to this though. When I hit the sweet spot the needle would go in with virtually no pain or resistance at all though.

This brings me to my question. I want to see what you guys think of this for the next cycle. Also, should I take the Adex until I start PCT or stop after the last injection? Does it matter? Thanks.

Week 1 to ?: .5mg of arimidex EOD
Week 1 to 4-6: 30mg of D-bol ED
Week 1 to 10: 600mg of EQ
Week 1 to 10: 750mg of Test

PCT: Same as 1st cycle or will it not be enough?

lol tht was a very light cycle i think the hair loss might be in your head....anyways for your next cycle i would drop the eq replace it with deca at 400mg pw through the whole cycle, start your dbol at week one to jumpstart your progress as you wait for the test to fully kick in 750 mg is fine ....adex .5 eod is usually how it goes i prefer aromasin 12.5mg ed personally....good luck you had some very nice gains from your first cycle...what lab if you dont mind me asking


edit...mis read thought you said dbol starting week 4...id go for the full 6 weeks and run atlest 50mg ed

 

[shyguy87]

I would change the Nolvadex dosage I would do 4 weeks like as stated 60/40/40/20. The clomid dosage looks fine. During post cycle therapy (pct) your testosterone levels are trying to recover. This gives estrogen a chance to become dominant and it will make an attempt . On cycle your body was used to having much higher levels of testosterone causing the body to compensate by balancing hormone levels out. Testosterone aromatizes but your Arimidex should of helped take care of that. The thing is your body is still in the habit of having higher than normal Testosterone levels, and estrogen is going to be involved in that habit therefore creating somewhat of a rebound affect. I would highly advise you continue an anti estrogen at a low dose throughout post cycle therapy (pct).

Isn't adex said to reduce the effect of nolva (or the other way around, can't remember - trying to educate myself that's why I'm asking) when used together? I might be wrong... Looking into the same thing myself, wether to run adex through post cycle therapy (pct) or stop pre post cycle therapy (pct). (Not meaning to hijack your thread btw sorry )

 

[SquadLeader]

Isn't adex said to reduce the effect of nolva (or the other way around, can't remember - trying to educate myself that's why I'm asking) when used together? I might be wrong... Looking into the same thing myself, wether to run adex through post cycle therapy (pct) or stop pre post cycle therapy (pct). (Not meaning to hijack your thread btw sorry )

Thats a good question and I don't know. I have not read any studies on this topic.

 

[Psychotron]

lol tht was a very light cycle i think the hair loss might be in your head....anyways for your next cycle i would drop the eq replace it with deca at 400mg pw through the whole cycle, start your dbol at week one to jumpstart your progress as you wait for the test to fully kick in 750 mg is fine ....adex .5 eod is usually how it goes i prefer aromasin 12.5mg ed personally....good luck you had some very nice gains from your first cycle...what lab if you dont mind me asking


edit...mis read thought you said dbol starting week 4...id go for the full 6 weeks and run atlest 50mg ed

Thanks for the responses. Ok, so the next cycle would look like this.

Week 1-12: .5mg of Adex EOD
Week 1-06: 40mg of Dbol ED
Week 1-10: 400mg of Deca
Week 1-10: 750mg of Test E

Hair:
Proscar @ 1.25mg ED
RegenePure Shampoo
Lipogaine
Microneedle Skin Care System

Liver Support: Liv52 & Milk Thistle

PCT:
Week 1-4: Clomid @ 50mg ED
Week 1-4: Nolva @ 60/40/40/20


I'm a bit confused with the dosing protocol. It seems like most people reccomend splitting the Dbol in doses during the course of the day. Would this be a better approach than the pre-workout option? What would be the best option as far as the deca & test e go though? Also, should I start the liver protection two weeks prior and run it all the way through post cycle therapy (pct)? I could'nt really find any reccomended doses as far as the liver protection was concerned either. Thanks.

 

[thades]

Few things, you should no run nolva as part of your PCT when using a 19-nor such as deca. You can either just run heavy clomid or run an Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) blast after your cycle and follow that with clomid.

I would suggest you run hcg(or zeek has suggested some clomid on cycle) to keep your testes from atrophying and as a result making recovery easier. Deca being a 19-nor will shut you down hard.

EITHER WAY, deca or eq you need to run the cycle for AT LEAST 14 weeks, if eq 16-18 around 600mg a week or you will be disappointed with the results. If you decide to go deca you need to run the test two weeks longer than the deca to let it clear you system so your recovery isn't more difficult than it needs to be.

 

[SquadLeader]

You should split your Dianabol dosage up. I would take it in the morning and the evening. If your able to take it before a work out I would, you can do that and split up your dosage so the stays as potent as possible in your blood stream. Your weekly Test E and Deca dosage looks fine. I would take the suggested dose that the Liv52 company suggest.

 

[Psychotron]

Few things, you should no run nolva as part of your PCT when using a 19-nor such as deca. You can either just run heavy clomid or run an Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) blast after your cycle and follow that with clomid.

I would suggest you run hcg(or zeek has suggested some clomid on cycle) to keep your testes from atrophying and as a result making recovery easier. Deca being a 19-nor will shut you down hard.

EITHER WAY, deca or eq you need to run the cycle for AT LEAST 14 weeks, if eq 16-18 around 600mg a week or you will be disappointed with the results. If you decide to go deca you need to run the test two weeks longer than the deca to let it clear you system so your recovery isn't more difficult than it needs to be.

Ok, this is what I put together after some more reading.

Week 1-06: Dbol @ 40mg/day [20mg In The Morning, 20mg In The Evening Pre-Workout]
Week 1-14: Deca @ 300mg/week [150mg Mon, 150mg Thurs]
Week 1-16: Test E @ 750mg/week [375mg Mon, 375mg Thurs]
Week 1-16: Adex @ .5mg EOD

Liver Support [Starting Week 1]: Liv52, 1000mg NAC [ED], 800mg Milk Thistle [ED]
Hair: Proscar [1.25mg/day], RegenePure, Lipogaine
PCT?

I'm just a bit unsure about the PCT. When you say HEAVY Clomid for post cycle therapy (pct), what would the dosing protocol look like? Also, if I were to take Clomid throughout the cycle as well, how often and what kind of dosing would you recommend. I've searched around but couldn't find anything regarding these two points. Thanks.

 

[thades]

100/100/50/50 Should be fine if you're taking clomid throughout cycle too

 

[Psychotron]

100/100/50/50 Should be fine if you're taking clomid throughout cycle too

Thanks for the response. What would would you suggest for the clomid dosing during the cycle. 25mg ED throughout? I can't seem to find any threads about using clomid as an anti-estrogen during cycle. Thanks.

 

[xato]

nobody said to use it as an AI..said to do it on cycle to help recovery

 

[501s finest]

I was told 50mg ed for 4 weeks for pct on clomid. That's what i've been taking. I didn't run anything like you did. I ran a PH for 3 weeks, superdrol and some other bs was in it. I'm going to run my first full cycle just test-e in a couple of months. Everyone says diff dosages on clomid for pct. I haven't asked 2 people and got the same answer. I'm doing fine at 50mg ed. I don't know though considering what you ran.

 

[Sir Anabolic]

Dbol for 6 weeks and more time on the EQ.

 

[Psychotron]

nobody said to use it as an AI..said to do it on cycle to help recovery

Ok, thanks. Thats what I was confused about. So just keep it on hand and use as needed during the cycle. I'm going to be running Adex do that should've been obvious, sorry bout that. Thanks for the help.

 

[Psychotron]

Ok here's the updated info.

Week 1-06: Dbol @ 40mg /day
Week 1-14: Deca @ 300mg /week
Week 1-16: Test E @ 750mg /week
Week 1-18: Adex @ .5mg /EOD

Liver Support (Starts Week 1)
NAC @ 1000mg /ED
Milk Thistle @ 800mg /ED
Liv52

Hair (Throughout)
Proscar @ 1.25mg /ED
RegenePure
Lipogaine

PCT (2 Weeks after last shot)
Week 1-2: Clomid @ 100 mg /ED
Week 2-4: Clomid @ 50mg /ED

Dosing Protocol
Dbol: 20mg in the morning & in the evening (Pre-Workout)
Deca: 150mg on Mon. & Thurs.
Test: 375mg on Mon. & Thurs.

*Clomid as needed during cycle

Thanks for the help, hopefully there isn't anything else that needs to be tweaked.