Need Advice!

[matt23]

I have been debating what my next cycle would be. After thinking it over, Im going with a Sustanon (sust) cycle again. My first was 500mgs a week pinning twice a week for 10 weeks. I liked the gains that i got with it last time, so this time im running around 600mgs a week for 14 weeks and will be pinning eod. I will also be incorporating HCG.

My question is, I have some deca durabolin. Its one 10ml bottle 250 mgs/ml. Im having joint pain and read that it helps with collagen synthesis. Can I run a low dose deca for this, say 200-250 mgs for 10-12 weeks. Will this help?

Im also taking finasteride, so i was wondering what i should do in regards to that.

Thanks for the info guys!

 

[DADAWG]

dont have a opinion on finasteride .

test at 500-600 for 14 weeks is fine and a few hundred mg of deca for 12 weeks is reasonable addition for a 2nd cycle.

 

[park]

Cant take Fina and Deca together...someone else can explain much better than me.

 

[cashout]

If you are using fina, do not use nandrolone. It eliminates the opportunity for nandrolone to interact with the 5-AR enzyme and inhibits reduction to DHN a less androgenic AAS.

 

[matt23]

what if i have been on finasteride for over a year now? is deca just not an option for me then?

i found this... anyone care to weigh in with their .02?

The misconception that deca with finasteride is a bad combination stems from the the days when deca only cycles were more common (often referred to as the days before jason updated the AR homepage cycles ) If one were running a deca only cycle (or any deca cycle without test), then finasteride would be a poor choice, because DHN is less androgenic than nandrolone. However, since we're assuming test to be included in a deca cycle, and both test and DHT are far more androgenic than nandrolone, if your goal is preventing the formation of the most androgenic compounds, then both deca and finasteride work together to reduce DHT formation.

To sum things up, if you're running a test + deca cycle and are worried about MPB (and you're susceptible), then including finasteride is a far better option than NOT including it, although the nandrolone will help to reduce DHT formation on its own to some extent.

This doesn't touch on the many positive effects of DHT (libido, muscle hardness, decreased SHBG and therefore increased bioavailable AAS).....this is only in the context of preventing hairloss.

 

[DADAWG]

what if i have been on finasteride for over a year now? is deca just not an option for me then?

i found this... anyone care to weigh in with their .02?

The misconception that deca with finasteride is a bad combination stems from the the days when deca only cycles were more common (often referred to as the days before jason updated the AR homepage cycles ) If one were running a deca only cycle (or any deca cycle without test), then finasteride would be a poor choice, because DHN is less androgenic than nandrolone. However, since we're assuming test to be included in a deca cycle, and both test and DHT are far more androgenic than nandrolone, if your goal is preventing the formation of the most androgenic compounds, then both deca and finasteride work together to reduce DHT formation.

To sum things up, if you're running a test + deca cycle and are worried about MPB (and you're susceptible), then including finasteride is a far better option than NOT including it, although the nandrolone will help to reduce DHT formation on its own to some extent.

This doesn't touch on the many positive effects of DHT (libido, muscle hardness, decreased SHBG and therefore increased bioavailable AAS).....this is only in the context of preventing hairloss.

you are WAY overthinking crap . if your hair is that important dont run deca , keep taking the finastride and switch to eq .

you can do 1000000 searches trying to justifty the info that you want to hear or you can take the adviice of people that have actually done some of this shit.

 

[cashout]

what if i have been on finasteride for over a year now? is deca just not an option for me then?

i found this... anyone care to weigh in with their .02?

The misconception that deca with finasteride is a bad combination stems from the the days when deca only cycles were more common (often referred to as the days before jason updated the AR homepage cycles ) If one were running a deca only cycle (or any deca cycle without test), then finasteride would be a poor choice, because DHN is less androgenic than nandrolone. However, since we're assuming test to be included in a deca cycle, and both test and DHT are far more androgenic than nandrolone, if your goal is preventing the formation of the most androgenic compounds, then both deca and finasteride work together to reduce DHT formation.

To sum things up, if you're running a test + deca cycle and are worried about MPB (and you're susceptible), then including finasteride is a far better option than NOT including it, although the nandrolone will help to reduce DHT formation on its own to some extent.

This doesn't touch on the many positive effects of DHT (libido, muscle hardness, decreased SHBG and therefore increased bioavailable AAS).....this is only in the context of preventing hairloss.

I understand what the author is saying but it is still a "robbing Peter to pay Paul situation." In a test/nandrolone cycle, you can use fina and it will lower the DHT that potentates the androgen receptor on the follicle but there is going to be an effect from the unreduced nandrolone. The question that he is get at is "which effect is greater?" That is the wrong question to ask. Both will have a negative effect - period.

Use EQ instead with your test. It has almost no interaction with the 5-AR enzyme and will not cause an issue with concurrent use of fina.

 

[Logical]

what if i have been on finasteride for over a year now? is deca just not an option for me then?

i found this... anyone care to weigh in with their .02?

The misconception that deca with finasteride is a bad combination stems from the the days when deca only cycles were more common (often referred to as the days before jason updated the AR homepage cycles ) If one were running a deca only cycle (or any deca cycle without test), then finasteride would be a poor choice, because DHN is less androgenic than nandrolone. However, since we're assuming test to be included in a deca cycle, and both test and DHT are far more androgenic than nandrolone, if your goal is preventing the formation of the most androgenic compounds, then both deca and finasteride work together to reduce DHT formation.

To sum things up, if you're running a test + deca cycle and are worried about MPB (and you're susceptible), then including finasteride is a far better option than NOT including it, although the nandrolone will help to reduce DHT formation on its own to some extent.

This doesn't touch on the many positive effects of DHT (libido, muscle hardness, decreased SHBG and therefore increased bioavailable AAS).....this is only in the context of preventing hairloss.

This makes perfect sense to me and its literally been driving me nuts for months

i always thought that the test being able to convert to DHT is likely harder on the hairline than nandrolone not being able to turn into DHN

cashout, do you have any input on this?


edit: nevermind, i see you already responded lol

 

[matt23]

I hear what u are saying. I was inquiring about using 200mgs deca a week for joint relief.... Even at this dose is it still no good with finasteride? If not, I will just stay with my Sustanon (sust) only cycle. Once again, I'm only trying to use a low dose for joints etc. So 600mgs sust/wk and 200mgs deca/ week. Would it still be conflicting even at a low dose or does the amount of deca not matter?

 

[cashout]

I hear what u are saying. I was inquiring about using 200mgs deca a week for joint relief.... Even at this dose is it still no good with finasteride? If not, I will just stay with my Sustanon (sust) only cycle. Once again, I'm only trying to use a low dose for joints etc. So 600mgs sust/wk and 200mgs deca/ week. Would it still be conflicting even at a low dose or does the amount of deca not matter?

If "joint relief" is the issue, there are much better sustainable long-term options for joint relief than 200 mgs of nandrolone. That will only mask the issue for the duration that you administer the nandrolone.

 

[matt23]

What do you suggest then?

 

[titanResearch]

Deca would definately help with your joints, as far as mixing deca with fina.....I dont know that much about that subject. Everyones body responds differently, give it a try and see where it takes you.

 

[cashout]

What do you suggest then?

I don't know what type of joint pain you are dealing with but depending on the causes there are several options to treat the source of the pain as opposed to treating the symptoms.

What is it you are experiencing? Is it connective tissue, injury-related - what type i.e. impact injury? Where in your body?

 

[matt23]

Forearms are where I'm having pain. Not sure of the cause. I know I feel it the most with curls an also with db shrugs from having to grip so tight.

 

[coltmc45]

I was having severe forearm pain this last cycle half way through everytime I did ez bar curls or preacher curls. My bones felt like they were gonna break. Try a straight bar if you're using an ez bar. It was suggested to me and my forearm pain went away.

 

[matt23]

The site where my forearmsconnect to the elbow is more specific . It's right where it connects only. I know the pain u are referring to with curls, but this is not the same.

 

[cashout]

Forearms are where I'm having pain. Not sure of the cause. I know I feel it the most with curls an also with db shrugs from having to grip so tight.

That sounds like connective tissue inflammation along the ulna and/or radius bones from repetitiveness stress especially since you don't know how you caused it and it hurts when you curl.

Supination of your hands when you are curling will help eliminate the direct stress your are feeling but you are going to have to let the inflammation subside. Stop doing straight bar curls! That will cause it.

Use straps to take the pressure off your hands when you are shrugging. You are trying to work your traps not your hands and forearms.

 

[DADAWG]

Forearms are where I'm having pain. Not sure of the cause. I know I feel it the most with curls an also with db shrugs from having to grip so tight.

the forearm isnt a joint and it sounds like you have tendonisis , deca wont help that.

 

[matt23]

the forearm isnt a joint and it sounds like you have tendonisis , deca wont help that.

It stems off the forearm muscle into the elbow. Sorry for the typo.

 

[DADAWG]

It stems off the forearm muscle into the elbow. Sorry for the typo.

its still probablly tendonitis.

get some GOOD neoprene elbow sleeves and some sports rub creme . rub in the cream and let it dry then put on the sleeves and train . its not a miracle cure but it helps.