Need help, first test bulking cycle :)

[The Fistinator]

I've decided maybe to go for my first test cycle and I have 7 months bulking left so it makes sense. This means I might cut "naturally" next year or just use orals as others have suggested.

Right here's the current plan of action, still need to do much research first, but:

12 Week on Sustanon 250. 500mg per week (in two separate jabs) or 12 Weeks of Enanthate with the same dosage.
Nolvadex or Letrozole & Clomid 3 weeks after last jab or after the first few weeks during
Increased calories 2 weeks before, and keep for 2 months after
Supplementing with omega's and multi-vit
Extra Vit B5 to help suppress any acne

Need way more research into this yet which I know, but I want to narrow my research to not waste too much of my time. Some have said do Test-E rather than Sust to keep it "simple" but don't you have to kick start your cycle with Test-E with other test/orals which would surely make it more complicated than sust alone? And my main concern is gyno of course, so that's why I wanted to take something like Nolva or Letro while on cycle to make it impossible. As this is the most informed steroid forum on the net, I thought I should ask here, I appreciate all replies and help

 

[mlupi319]

I've decided maybe to go for my first test cycle and I have 7 months bulking left so it makes sense. This means I might cut "naturally" next year or just use orals as others have suggested.

Right here's the current plan of action, still need to do much research first, but:

12 Week on Sustanon 250. 500mg per week (in two separate jabs) or 12 Weeks of Enanthate with the same dosage.
Nolvadex or Letrozole & Clomid 3 weeks after last jab or after the first few weeks during
Increased calories 2 weeks before, and keep for 2 months after
Supplementing with omega's and multi-vit
Extra Vit B5 to help suppress any acne

Need way more research into this yet which I know, but I want to narrow my research to not waste too much of my time. Some have said do Test-E rather than Sust to keep it "simple" but don't you have to kick start your cycle with Test-E with other test/orals which would surely make it more complicated than sust alone? And my main concern is gyno of course, so that's why I wanted to take something like Nolva or Letro while on cycle to make it impossible. As this is the most informed steroid forum on the net, I thought I should ask here, I appreciate all replies and help

First things first what's your Age, Stats, and Goals?

Secondly here's some knowledge for ya brahhh

Slight differences with sustanon and enanthate.
Basically sust kicks in slightly quicker but not by much (test prop is only 1 portion of mixture), also it takes longer to clear (~5days longer), lastly should be pinned more frequently (minimum every 3 days) to take full advantage of prop and pp esters and keep blood levels more stable.

Other than frequency of pins, kick in time, clear time, test is test and either will work.

Also I wouldn't increase calories until on cycle and then drop back down to maintenance during post cycle therapy (pct) (note when I say maintenance I mean your maintenance calories adjusted for your newly acquired muscle). Running a caloric surplus during post cycle therapy (pct) is a good way to get fat because chances are you will not be building new muscle, so those cals WILL turn into fat.

Pct should consist of Nolva and Clomid combo starting 16-24days after last pin depending on what form of test you use (Enanthate 16-18days, Sustanon 20-24days).

If you want to avoid gyno dose your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) right from the start and have nolva ready if gyno moves past the "itchy-puffy nipps" stage. As far as letro, yes it is the best for removing gyno but to prevent I feel like letro is over kill and can make things worse--> letro can cause estro rebound so even if you don't get gyno it may induced it when you come off (must be tapered slowly) also with letro you have the greatest chance of driving your estro too low and killing your joints and libido...I would suggest aromasin @12.5mg/day sarting 1week before your first pin, if you are super scared of gyno run it @25mg/day..Aromasin will still kill ~85% of estro (Someone correct if I'm wrong), it also strengthens bones, and has a positive effect on cholesterol, also there is no estro rebound as it is a suicide aromatase inhibitor

Lastly you mentioned "just using orals" to cut up....never do this, always run test with other anabolics even @ a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose of 100-200mg/week

...OH YA welcome to Ology

 

[The Fistinator]

Sorry, forgot to add stats:

Age: 22
Height: 5'9"
Weight: 187lbs
BF: Hard to gauge accurately, callipers give me results in the 5% range but that's wrong of course, I'm just always quite lean on my limbs and chest, but my abs are just barely still visible so I'd say 12-14%.
Goals: I was going to run my first test cycle on a cut next year but many have told me to do my first test on a bulk to maximize first time gains.

I'm currently on around 3600cals to gain 2lbs per month which has been working, slow but steady. So I've been advised to maybe hit the 4750-5000cal mark when on cycle to maximize gains since "they'll all go to use" but I don't know how true that is. I'll probably be bulking for a few months after the cycle so wouldn't maintenance be a problem?

As for the Aromatase inhibitor (AI), I've heard Arimidex is supposed to be the best but I've never heard of Aromasin before. So 25mg/day a week before and through the cycle of Arimidex or Aromasin would give me the lowest chance of gyno? Would there be any adverse effects to running Nolva from the start of cycle anyway or is it just seen as a waste of money?

Thanks for the reply and welcome

 

[mlupi319]

Nolva has side effects of it's own (e.g. blood clots) so long term use is avoided whenever possible. Arimidex and Aromasin are different, everyone has their preference between a-dex, aroma, letro (Of course I say Aroma is best) but here is a good link on AIs-->http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroids-bodybuilding-articles/591422-ais.html

BUT this should all go out the window for 2 reasons:

1. You are 22 and the dominant theory is that the sooner you jump on steroids the sooner you will be on TRT...There are no studies done that I know of that prove this but steroids without a doubt do not help your bodies natural production of test at any point, that's for damn sure.

2. You said you are gaining 2lbs/month slow and steady and maintaining 12-14% bf!! what more could you ask for?!?!? Bro don't get greedy. Wait a couple of years until you have done more research and your gains have completely stalled, just my 2 cents.

 

[The Fistinator]

I wanted to gain more mass so I could compete faster, and didn't want to waste my first ever test cycle on a cut. I was only planning on doing a test cycle on a bulk once every 3 years or so. So finish this bulk on it, then the next 3 naturally, then a cycle again for example.

 

[You mad Bro]

At 4700 kcals you'll get fat, especialy if you're bulking for 7 months, just eat 500 kcals over maintanance no need to go over the top. Like in my case, 23% bodyfat, 3 chins. Currently on a keto diet, it sucks.