Hi all, as you know I am pretty new here and am still learning as fast as I can and as much as I can. I have been doing quite a bit of reading, talked to a few folks and am trying to come up with a plan that is reasonably safe for me and is capable of producing quick and substantial results. So I thought I would just toss out my plan here for you guys to critique, adjust and simply tell me what you think so here goes. First off I should probably let you know that I have had two hydroceles, one on each testicle resulting in two surgeries. One testicle has an area of dark discoloration when viewed on ultrasound and my Urologist has me come in once a year, get another ultrasound done and check to make sure it's not cancerous. Due to the hydroceles, the surgeries and all the Evil Knievel trauma I caused my testes growing up I have extremely low test and I'm only 33 which sucks. I'm gonna be on TRT for the rest of my life. Since it is TRT and not test injections for the sole purpose of bulking up, I never have a cycle period for the test. I get 100mg in the hip every Wednesday with no breaks. Now on top of that I plan to add the following: 100mg Deca every wed with my test injection and 100mg every Saturday for 10 weeks, MP Assault every workout day (which will be every other day) just prior to starting my workout, MP Re-Con after every workout, 100mg DHEA daily, MP Armor-V everyday. Twin-lab ZMA fuel 3 caps every night before bed, MP Casein shake every night just before bed, MP Z-Core PM every night just before bed also MP Bulletproof every night before bed on a 5 day on 2 day off cycle. Diesel Test Pro-Cycle to help increase test level and libido, MP unflavored Glutamine mixed in with MP Combat powder shake and S3Labs Untapped every morning. Arimidex .5mg every other day and once that is gone I will be switching to MRSupps Forma Stanzol. Forged Liver Support everyday from day 1, Forged Post cycle as well as Protein factory Post cycle. As I pointed out in the beginning I will not be cycling the Test, only the other compounds that call for it. The Liver support and post cycle compounds are added to help safe guard my organs as well as try to boost my sex drive etc since that is so low due to my condition. I will also be running an 8 week cycle of D-Bol from the beginning to get a jump start on my strength training and think running the protective compounds concurrently will help minimize liver and kidney problems. I think that is everything I have come up with, I have the Anabolics, the pro-hormones, the cycle/liver support, the vitamins and proteins, and the Estrogen blockers. Which reminds me, I will be using Almond milk for the shakes instead of dairy or soy. No dairy so I can keep the cholesterol down and no soy as it has compounds that mimic estrogen. Let me know what you guys think, what I should change, get rid of, increase the dose etc. Oh should I add a Joint complex like Forged Joint Repair or Xtreme Joint Support? Just remember this is my first major supplement experience, I really need the pro-hormones and stuff because the test alone is not enough get my sex drive going and being only 33 I really need to get that fixed. At my age I should still be chasing tail since I'm not married but I don't, which really steps on your quality of life. As far as the other compounds go from what I have read and as I understand it I think it's a comprehensive and well laid out course of action. Thanks for your input, it is much appreciated and with your help I hope I can have a quality life again someday very soon.
Need input on these ideas.
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Dr.Phoenix
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Sorry, NO
it is not good idea to run Deca if you have problem with your nuts
Also 100 mg Deca will not bring any new mass, very very low dose but yet enough to be suppressive.
it is not good idea to run Deca if you have problem with your nuts
Also 100 mg Deca will not bring any new mass, very very low dose but yet enough to be suppressive.
Ok so no Deca, that's easy enough. Everything else seem OK though? I'm not missing out on something or have too much of something else in that cocktail? I don't want to double up on products that I don't have to or have products that conflict with each other.
Dr.Phoenix
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by too much products , You mean the supplements ?
Yeah, are there any of the supps that I don't need and should cut out or do they all serve their own purposes and should be used together? Oh and to the guy who sent me a private message, I tried responding to you but the system won't let me. I apparently don't have permission to send PM's I guess. To answer your question though, I'm not sure if I would be interested, I don't much about Tren except that Tren A requires daily injections and Tren E twice weekly, also they are considered to be the most powerful of anabolics.
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I suppose I could try a cycle of Tren E 100mg 2x a week for 5 weeks with Dbol 25mg twice daily for 4 weeks and my usual 100mg of Test C once a week. I don't think I need to add anything else to that cycle. I don't want to go too crazy with high doses for long periods since this will be my first cycle. If I handle it well with no serious side effects then my next cycle could be more aggressive.
Dr.Phoenix
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Tren E is not working also sorry , same prob with Deca
but D-bol can be a better idea
but D-bol can be a better idea
Dr.Phoenix
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I think you should report that to mods, it can be scamming activity, its not normal that somebody PM you about gear advise
Yeah I was a little hesitant when he sent me that pm but figured it was worth researching. So Dbol is my only real option? I can cycle that for up to 8 weeks at a time and that's the only anabolic I can really use due to my testes being completely shot? So Dbol and over the counter pro-hormones, vitamins, proteins and the like are my only option?
OK, I reported him for the Tren PM.
OK, I reported him for the Tren PM.
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Vino 1
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I would suggest reading the stickys, researching test only first cycles. But I'd really suggest due to all the complications you've had, that u don't do AAS. But that's up to you. Just be safe and research. Most of the ideas you've talked about are not good ones which leads me to believe you need to do a lot more research. Be safe bro
Dr.Phoenix
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Yes d-bol will be easier , but of course you have medical condition thats why advises can be misplaced when it comes to steroids.
I dont believe any prohormone, as i know Bullet proof containes ZMA stuff inside, but you can search all these in Supp forum.
I dont believe any prohormone, as i know Bullet proof containes ZMA stuff inside, but you can search all these in Supp forum.
Yeah i have been on Test replacement therapy for over 2 years now and will be for the rest of my life. My testes are completely shut down due to trauma and they will never recover. So the only way for me to ever get test in my system is from injections or the gel or patch. Even though I am getting weekly test injections it's not enough to really get my libido going or allow me to increase my strength or muscle mass very much at all. I am just trying to find a way to get my sex drive back and be able to bulk up and increase my strength like I was before the surgeries on my testicles. I'm trying to find the right combination of supplements: herbals, pro-hormones, vitamins and anything else that will help me out. If Dbol is the only AAS I can take relatively safely then that's fine, I will do the best I can with what I am able to use, I really just want some quality of life back. To have energy, muscle mass and tone, strength and a desire to have sex, I'm 33 and I can't even think about spending another 40-50 years like this, I have to find a regimen of supplements and if need be AAS to get back a life worth living. I admit I am a total noob to all of this, I never needed it before when my test levels were healthy and I was in good shape with a healthy sex drive. So I came here, I am willing and trying to learn as fast as I can and I was hoping that some of you knowledgeable experienced guys would be able to point me in the right direction and give me somewhere to start, that's why I started this thread and posted all of the supps I thought would be good for me to take and maybe get my body back to a place where it can build muscle and gain strength again and have enough of a sex drive that I have it more than once every 2-3 months and when my girlfriend brings it up I actually want it instead of just thinking to myself I'm busy and that just sounds like a hassle. I mean what guy in his right mind turns down sex because he thinks it's just a hassle? lol Before anyone asks yes I have been over this with my Urologist and my GP and about all I got out of those conversations was my doc lets me manage my Test dose as long as it's within acceptable therapeutic levels which means up to 400mg a month and I get 100mg a week so I am at the max dose. So if any of you guys have any suggestions about my supplement list at the top of this post or hell have any suggestions at all on how I can increase my sex drive and my muscle mass, strength, flexibility and energy levels etc it would mean the world to me and you would be giving me back my life, my manhood, hell even my happiness. Thank you, I hope you can help.
Dapperdog
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Hows your diet brother? Food has a tremendous effect on the way I feel. I always tell people to look at diet first. Now I wont lie, developing and actually adhering to a good, clean, healthy diet is not easy. In fact it was the hardest hurdle for me and many others, but the rewards are almost instant, and very gratifying.
What is your workout regimen? You should be doing squats, deads,cleans, standing presses, pull ups etc. All big, compound movement exercises to develop your strength and get your system running like a machine.
Work on these core issues, and conduct lots of research while contemplating AAS. And to hell with all the supps. Protein, Multi Vitamin, Fish Oil are my only big three. Creatine, Zinc, BCAA's, and a few others are secondary for me. The well designed diet will have you feeling so good, you really wont need much supps.
PUT IN WORK.
What is your workout regimen? You should be doing squats, deads,cleans, standing presses, pull ups etc. All big, compound movement exercises to develop your strength and get your system running like a machine.
Work on these core issues, and conduct lots of research while contemplating AAS. And to hell with all the supps. Protein, Multi Vitamin, Fish Oil are my only big three. Creatine, Zinc, BCAA's, and a few others are secondary for me. The well designed diet will have you feeling so good, you really wont need much supps.
PUT IN WORK.
My diet is great, I joined a gym with my Girlfriend and got a personal trainer he gave me a list of 21 super foods things like Quinoa, broccoli, chicken breast etc which I stick to almost exclusively. I almost never eat fast food, don't drink or smoke, don't drink pop, my only vice is coffee in the am. As far as my workout goes my trainer has me doing 30 min on the treadmill, pull ups, sit ups and push ups trying not to push me too fast, an unfortunate side effect of low test is that it screws up your joints I have what amounts to arthritis in most of my joints and if I am not careful I just screw something up, not in one single incident but because my body lacks the hormones and stuff to properly rebuild my tissues, over time I end up burning out my wrists or my shoulder or something. That's why I am looking into supps and AAS, I think if my body has the right building blocks then instead of burning out it will build up like it used to before my testes retired and moved to Florida lol. I currently and have for a while been taking 60g protein shakes, another bedtime protein shake with fenugreek, multi vitamin, DHEA, fish oil and creatine but it still doesn't seem to be enough for some reason.
I have a question about this. You say not to run Deca if I have a problem with my testicles but I don't understand why. I assume it's because Deca will shut down my natural test production and if I have a problem with my testes then under most circumstances taking something that will shut down test production is like throwing fuel on the fire but in my case my testicles are pretty much completely shot when it comes to producing test and they will never recover. Due to years of skateboarding, BMX, motocross and just racking my nuts on anything I could find plus having a hydrocele on each testicle and then two surgeries to remove them, one of which the doc actually cut my testicle to check for blood flow because it had been compressed so much by the hydrocele that I had less than 1% blood flow going to it and he was afraid it had died and needed to be removed but luckily it was still alive. Oh and having a scalpel slice your testicle, worst pain ever. Like shaking, sweating, vomiting uncontrollably type pain, I advise you all to avoid getting your nuts sliced at all costs lol. Anyway my point is, if i were to take a cycle of anything that shuts down natural test production then it's really a moot point as my testicles will never recover and produce test on their own again unfortunately. On top of that for the past 2 1/2 years I have been on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) non stop so I am pretty sure my boys are already on permanent vacation anyway. So is that the reason you said not to cycle AAS or is there something else?
Dr.Phoenix
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HUH Sorry man,
Yes you have a point, since the damage is done , there is a no point of taking precautions.
You should be cycling and enjoying results ....
Ok, that's what I thought but wanted to be sure I didn't miss something. I'm still learning and I would rather ask a question and be sure my understanding is correct rather than think I know it all and end up in the ER because I did something stupid. Thanks for the info though, that makes me feel better. I was trying to figure out what to do if I wasn't able to cycle. Having a physical trauma that cuts out such a vital hormone like test really screws up your life and you have to get creative and be open minded to try and find things that will give you back your 'manhood' and quality of life. So for a first time cycle I want to ease into it and see how things go not just blast away with some huge doses. My doc gives me 100mg of Test C every wed. I can try to get that raised to 150 or 200mg every wed but not sure she will go for it. If she doesn't increase my injection dose I do have a 3 month supply of Testim, that's 50mg a day of topical Test in addition to my weekly injection of 100mg. Also I have been doing my research and reading as much as I can and I have a couple of things I'm not quite clear on. First, I understand that deca can decrease libido which is something I already have problems with so I was thinking of adding Proviron, not only does it apparently help with libido but also as a mild Estrogen blocker, SHBG, and slightly increases Test as well. However from what I read the usual dose is 50mg and Pinnacle has it in vials of 30ml at 10mg/ml so 50mg doses works out to 6 doses per vial unless my math is off. So 50mg a day 6 doses per vial and a 10 week cycle that's at least 11 vials, or did I miss something? Also Deca can cause progesterone and from what i have read Adex and other common AI's aren't effective against it so you should have Caber/Dostinex on hand to deal with it but I don't know if I should run it from day one, what dose to run or even where to get it. So 200mg of Deca wed and sat 10 weeks, .5mg of Adex eod, 25mg of Dbol 2x a day for 8 weeks, 50mg of Proviron ed for 10 weeks and just have to hope I don't grow moobs from the deca lol. Any suggestions? Like I said I am still learning and welcome any and all knowledge you guys can drop on me.
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