Need question answered (1st Cycle)

[slunkeh]

Hello All,

This is my first post here and have been scouting through a few forums etc before i joined up somewhere. I decided to choose this board.

I have done quite a bit of extensive research for about a year now on and off before deciding to run my first cycle. I have been training 6 years now on and off and have built a good base i believe. I am 23 years old 6' foot, 182lbs at around 10% bf. I know what a good diet is and how to train properly.

I plan on running test e 500mg for 10-12 weeks (still deciding on how long)
I plan to stack this with dbol for the first 4 weeks. I will keep nolva on hand for gyno issues and for post cycle therapy (pct), in addition i will run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for pct.

My one question i cannot seem to get this clear in my mind is the issues of sterility. I am aware whilst you are "on" you will be somewhat sterile but how does this affect you long term. Can test or any anabolic make you perminatly sterile? This may seem like a newbie question but i cannot find a straight answere for this and i need to clarify before i decide to go ahead.

Thanks for your time.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

there is always a chance that once your boys get shutdown that they wont come back.

 

[Mars1960]

there is always a chance that once your boys get shutdown that they wont come back.

Yes there is, 0.1% chance.
HCG should be used during cycle and not for post cycle therapy (pct), nolva and clomid will be needed for post cycle therapy (pct) and the addition of prov or aromasin can help with mood and libido without any further suppression to HPTA function.

 

[AustinTX]

run low dose Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) throughout your cycle to keep natural production running. you have to determine what works best for you and how shut down you are; anywhere from 250 iu every 4-5 days; to 300-400 iu 3x week... Since this seem to be a concern for you, I'd start at 250 iu 3x a week and up slightly if you notice any atrophy, etc.

 

[jimmy weaver]

i got my girl pregnant while on a cycle

 

[slunkeh]

Thanks for you response folks.

In regards to HCG. Is it a good idea to run 250-500 iu every 3-5 days throughout the cycle? I am asking this because i have read this in an article:

"using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for too long a period of time or in doses that are excessively high, can desensitize the testicles to the effect that it would put your right back where you started from. In terms of side-effects one should expect some androgenic signs such as acne and there is a risk for hair loss or prostate hypertrophy, but in most cases this compound will not be used for more than 3 weeks, so these should not manifest themselves to any serious degree."

Taking the above into consideration, would it be best to run this 3 weeks before the start of PCT?


In addition to the above there is also this:

Unless the duration of the cycle was excessively long a single 5000 iu shot at the beginning of post cycle therapy or 3000 IU followed by 2000 IU 5-6 days later should be adequate to kick start the testes Some users do prefer a longer duration of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) therapy. Maybe start off with one shot of 3000 IU somewhere in the last week of your stack, then another 3000 5 days later, then drop to 1500 5 days later and a last shot of 1500 6 days after that.


To get peoples thought from experiance would be gold to me. As sterility is the only factor that i have a major issue with as i am only 23.

Once again many thanks.

 

[Mr. Hate]

If your doing 10 or 12 week cycle I would hit some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) somewhere in the middle. I do 500ui ed for 10 days then do another 5000iu at the end. Save your nolva for pct and get some exemestane. Nolva doesn't solve the problem of too much estrogen it just masks it. When it comes to gyno u need 2 get to the root and not cover it up

 

[AustinTX]

some of that data looks a little old... Low dose throughtout a 12 week cycle will keep your natural production going, and isn't long enough or high enough to cause desensitization.

The lower the dose that keeps the boys running the better. Never been a fan of taking the whole vial in one shot for post cycle therapy (pct). Or having my junk shrunk for 10 weeks then just fixing at the end...

You can also wait a couple of weeks, see how shut down you are and find the dose that keeps you running since it's your first cycle. Some guys don't seem to shut down very much, I will if I walk around with a vial of test in my pocket so I always run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) almost from the start.

 

[slunkeh]

Austin Tx - Thanks for advice if i had rep power i would rep you (or is that just a bodybuilding.com thing?)

Anyways, in addition to what you were saying i like your method and i also would not like my boys shrunk for 10 weeks - very important to me.

Dont know if you have seen this thread yet

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/143124-official-pct-2009-a.html

but its pretty much saying what you are and i would proceed 100% to go with this PCT.

 

[AustinTX]

Austin Tx - ...

Dont know if you have seen this thread yet

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/143124-official-pct-2009-a.html

but its pretty much saying what you are and i would proceed 100% to go with this PCT.

No problem and good luck with your cycle.

Some good info in that thread, just saw it since it got recently bumped. You're doing your homework so you'll be prepared to adjust if necessary. Guidelines are just that guidelines..., everyone reacts a little differently to hormones/drugs/alchohol/whatever so knowing what's normal for you and finding what works best in your situation when you're on the cycle and you'll be golden.