New Cycle Advice (trenA/testP)

[V4mp]

Hello there, I'm new here. I'm seeking some advice for my next cycle.
Cycle Stats

• 10 weeks duration
• Tren Ace 100mg (ED) for ~ 8weeks
• Test Prop 25mg (ED) for 10weeks
• Clomid PCT 150mg on day 1; then 100mg for the next 7 days; followed by 50mg for 14 days.
• No HCG
• Nothing on hand for Sides

Basic Stats

• 29 Years Old
• 76kgs
• Second Cycle
• Weight Lifting for 1.6 years
• Lifting EoD; Cardio EoD (running;martial arts), PT twice a week

Cycle History

• 9 week cycle @ 800mg of Test Prop per week (pinning EoD; body responded really well)

During said cycle, I suffered a few sides (Back acne at week 8 and depression when I PCT with clomid- the reason I'm doing another short cycle)
I was honest in my post, if there is anything else I can add please let me know. I will post a picture of myself in my profile also. Thank you for all your help and insight as, like you, I don't want to mess it up. I've been a spectator on these type of forums, first time I've been an active member. Who knows? Maybe someday I'll be able to pay it forward. Thanks again.

 

[Metalhead]

You already know its not good when you state you have NOTHING for sides. Just becauae you had a decent run with prop doesnt mean youre ready for tren. Especially 700mg a week. I would rethink your next cycle, read some stickies, other peoples recent cycle posts, cycle support, and pct threads before trying anything new

 

[tbonexl]

Yea that is not a promising post u have but more of an ignorant one. I think u need more research and less gear. U obviously don't know what your about to fuck with.

 

[V4mp]

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Yea that is not a promising post u have but more of an ignorant one. I think u need more research and less gear. U obviously don't know what your about to fuck with.

You already know its not good when you state you have NOTHING for sides. Just becauae you had a decent run with prop doesnt mean youre ready for tren. Especially 700mg a week. I would rethink your next cycle, read some stickies, other peoples recent cycle posts, cycle support, and pct threads before trying anything new

I noticed a trend in many other posts, of people asking for advice and not taking it. I do not want to be disrespectful like this. I did more research on this (even though previously I thought I did enough, finding out I was wrong/you were right). I decided to construct a new cycle with the things I've learned in mind. I would appreciate your thoughts on this more "thoughtful" cycle.


Cycle Stats

8 weeks duration
Tren Ace 50mg (ED) for 6weeks (was going to make it 40mg but I think 50 will make it easier to pin)
Test Prop 50mg (ED) @ week 3, till the cycle is over. (starting at week 3 because my natural test will be suppressed then)
HCG: 500ui (ED)14days after last AAS injection (Didn't find any hard evidence showing being on it longer made a difference)
PCT: Clomid 100/100/50/50 for 4 weeks (after 14 days of last injection)
Arimidex 1/1/0.5/0.5 for 4 weeks (after 14days of last injection)
AI: Arimidex @ 0.5mg mg (EOD) for entire cycle

So essentially it will go Tren+AI --> Tren+Prop+AI --> HCG+AI --> SERMs+AI (PCT)


I would like to say thank you for the time you took to look at my post and provide a reply, I'm not like most and I do appreciate it.

 

[tbonexl]

Your cycle still needs some work.
U should start test prop the same time u start tren. I would run your cycle at the very minimum 8 weeks. U can run tren 8 weeks and test a couple weeks longer. U got an ai u want to run during cycle but an ai is not a pct. Nolva and Clomid would be a better pct. I didn't see where u mentioned anything about a dopamine antagonist like prami or caber. U need to look into that. I think hcg is better to run throughout your cycle @ 250ius twice a week. That's your call. Do some more research definitely.

 

[tbonexl]

Also, your going to want to start your pct sooner than 14 days after last pin. You are running short esters and they will clear about 3 days or so after last pin.

 

[Chicago712]

I noticed a trend in many other posts, of people asking for advice and not taking it. I do not want to be disrespectful like this. I did more research on this (even though previously I thought I did enough, finding out I was wrong/you were right). I decided to construct a new cycle with the things I've learned in mind. I would appreciate your thoughts on this more "thoughtful" cycle.


Cycle Stats

8 weeks duration
Tren Ace 50mg (ED) for 6weeks (was going to make it 40mg but I think 50 will make it easier to pin)
Test Prop 50mg (ED) @ week 3, till the cycle is over. (starting at week 3 because my natural test will be suppressed then)
HCG: 500ui (ED)14days after last AAS injection (Didn't find any hard evidence showing being on it longer made a difference)
PCT: Clomid 100/100/50/50 for 4 weeks (after 14 days of last injection)
Arimidex 1/1/0.5/0.5 for 4 weeks (after 14days of last injection)
AI: Arimidex @ 0.5mg mg (EOD) for entire cycle

So essentially it will go Tren+AI --> Tren+Prop+AI --> HCG+AI --> SERMs+AI (PCT)


I would like to say thank you for the time you took to look at my post and provide a reply, I'm not like most and I do appreciate it.

why would you only run test starting week 3??

also AI is not to be used during PCT..

you have a lot of research to do my friend

 

[GOTGrowth]

You need to grab your ancillaries to have a way to stop sides if they do happen. Only 25mg's of test prop a day? I don't like the sound of that I would go with 100 daily.

 

[snowpatrol123]

If you're so certain clomid gave you depression last time, why in the world are you using it again?

 

[V4mp]

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Your cycle still needs some work.
U should start test prop the same time u start tren. I would run your cycle at the very minimum 8 weeks. U can run tren 8 weeks and test a couple weeks longer. U got an ai u want to run during cycle but an ai is not a pct. Nolva and Clomid would be a better pct. I didn't see where u mentioned anything about a dopamine antagonist like prami or caber. U need to look into that. I think hcg is better to run throughout your cycle @ 250ius twice a week. That's your call. Do some more research definitely.

I looked into DA and I think prami is ideal for me. What dosage would I want to run for my suggested cycle and for how long? Giving me a start and end would be a lot of help to me.

I was told that there is still some natural test in your system for a couple weeks while tren is around and to cycle my test once it's gone. Being a short ester this makes little sense, but that was what I was told. So I'll start tren/test the same time. AI from my study can be used as and in conjunction as SERMs for pct. I read that SERMs are more effective but an ai at the same time as SERMs for pct is still a good option. Maybe I was misinformed as well? I will run HCG throughout the cycle as suggested.

Also, your going to want to start your pct sooner than 14 days after last pin. You are running short esters and they will clear about 3 days or so after last pin.

Alright, fixed that as that makes sense however I was told that it even though it was a short ester it "lingers" in your system a while. Thinking about it on my own and not going off what someone said, it makes sense when the life of the ester is active in a 3-4 days and dies around the same time (3-4). So I've updated this pct to include what I've learned.

why would you only run test starting week 3??

also AI is not to be used during PCT..

you have a lot of research to do my friend

Stated above but basically I was told takes a while for natural test levels to drop off and it would be a waste. Maybe I was wrong with this methodology? I also read on Steroid (dot) com that an AI can be used in conjunction but SERMs are far more effective and largely will be enough for pct.

You need to grab your ancillaries to have a way to stop sides if they do happen. Only 25mg's of test prop a day? I don't like the sound of that I would go with 100 daily.

This was corrected in my second post.

If you're so certain clomid gave you depression last time, why in the world are you using it again?

Honestly? I've used it before, other than that I eventually returned to normal and thought it was doing it's job. I didn't grow boobs and for lack of a more intelligent reason it worked. I have experience with dosing for it and none with nolvadex. For me it came down to the devil I knew vs. the one I didn't.




Corrected Cycle

• 10 week duration
• Tren Ace 50mg (ED) for 8weeks
• Test Prop 50mg (ED) for 10weeks
• HCG @ 250ius twice a week till cycle is over
• PCT with Clomid 100/100/50/50 @ 3rd day after last pin
• AI: Arimidex @ 0.5mg mg (EOD) for entire cycle
• Dopamine Antagonist : Pramipexole @ ? for ?

 

[tbonexl]

I don't know... Keep reading...

 

[V4mp]

I don't know... Keep reading...

From what I can tell best protocol is:

0.1mg Prami day 1
0.2mg Prami day 2
0.25-0.3mg Prami day 3 till end of the cycle.

Take the Prami in the AM not PM

Protocol taken from "HeavyIron" an Admin from another site.

 

[tbonexl]

I've never heard of taking prami in the am. It seems like your getting your info from another board and then debating about it on this board. U can read different views and opinions that people have all day. That's exactly it though. Its everybody else's opinions.

 

[V4mp]

I've never heard of taking prami in the am. It seems like your getting your info from another board and then debating about it on this board. U can read different views and opinions that people have all day. That's exactly it though. Its everybody else's opinions.

other boards, informative websites and experience is all I have to go on in reality right? since I'm currently lacking in experience (why I'm asking for help doing this safely from experienced people) I have to go somewhere?

I mean no offence by what I said it's just how I see it correct me if I'm wrong?

is there a good post here about prami dosage I can look at?

 

[tbonexl]

I'm sure there is. I'm not gonna find it for u. Do a search on it. Most people take prami before bed with food.