New & Fat = Questions

1mper1um

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Hi guys,

I am new to this forum and new(ish) to the training scene and I have some questions that I hope you can answer for me.

I'll give a fair bit of info first and if anyone wants to skip they can go straight to my questions! I know it's long but I figured it's best to get it all out in advance so as to get the best advice back.

INFO:
I am 5' 8" and 35 yrs old (thankfully I look 27 and act 23) :D

I have trained over the years on and off like a lot of guys. I know the basics, always practice good form (no ego here) and did the typical beginners workout of 3 sets of 10. I also know that film stars that bulk up for a film are on gear, so I don't expect the impossible just 'cause Charlie Sheen took just 3 months to look like Rambo.

About 10 years ago I used over the counter supplements such as Cell Tech (tasted vile), Hydroxycut (and it was awesome - not like the watered down version they sell now) and Nortesten (before it got banned - and boy did it give me a kick!)

Though just 5' 8", I have a 17" neck and naturally occurring extremely well developed quads for some reason - which also left a physiotherapist dumbfounded (which was nice, I guess). When my friend and I started the gym as noobs, there was a leg press machine where you sat practically upside down and I was able to press the full 100kg for 3 x10 reps. My mate, at 6' 7", had to start at 65kg.

I am the kind of guy who puts muscle on quickly - went from 13" biceps to 15" in 12 weeks on just Cell Tech and protein shakes - but am also prone to put fat on just as fast. Just a couple pints of beer a week and I get a D shaped gut.

I am overweight. I weigh 15st 7 (217 lbs) and according to a chart, my BMI is 33 and though that officially makes me really obese, I am not. I am just fat. This is the same chart that says I should be around 10 st 10 (150 lbs) yet I'll only ever reach that if I go anorexic. My lightest ever - 11 st 5 (159 lbs) - was when I had next to no fat and circa 12 st (172 lbs) is when I seem right. So I am about 3 st (42 lbs) overweight.

I am not looking for quick fixes and have always been prepared to put in time and effort. I am also not averse to gear and realise most great physiques use it.

So, that's me, my physiology and my history.


Questions:
1) How should I approach calorie intake? I need more than usual in order to put on mass but I also need to eat less in order to shift my excess fat.



2) My ideal is to look like (yeah, I know, you've been told this a gazillion times) Ryan Reynolds in Blade and Hugh Jackman in Wolverine. here are some quick pics (the ones you've seen a gazillion times, lol):

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So with this in mind, will the basics suffice: 3 days a week of bicep curl, hammer curl, tricep extensions, pull up bar, chest & leg press (smith machines), pec flys, shoulder raises, lat pull down, bent over rows?

3) What supplements do you recommend? Hydroxycut is watered down and Nortesten is off the shelves.

According to the official line, Ryan Reynolds put in 22 lbs of muscle and whittled down to just 3% body fat on just L-Glutamine, CLA (Conjugated Linoleic Acid), Whey Protein, multivitamins and creatine.

Is this the place to start for me too? Or was his body down to his unofficial 6 month intake of Sustanol stacked with Winstrol?


4) I love my carbs. Is there a diet plan that is good for mass gain, fat loss and still be high on carbs?

5) Despite being fat, should I be aiming for 1g of protein per lb of body weight? And are these grams to be in shakes or include all protein including what's in my food?


Thx in advance.
 
Where to start....this should probably go in the diet section. I recommend starting there read the sticky from jammyjamjr. Get your BMR and TDEE plan on a lifetstyle change. Carbs? Umm no they are no ok. They are ok in moderation and good complex carbs. 1g protein per lb is probably too low. There are several threads in the diet forum that will give you a "feel" for what's good to eat and what's not. Also will give you some parameters for proper macros. I'm pretty sure our going to wanna start cutting, clean eating, tons of cardio (yea I know you hate cardio) so does everyone else. As for supplements here are some decent ones out there but I never believe these guys when they claim they put on 10 lbs or 22 lbs of pure muscle with no enhancements. At least not in 12 weeks.

Like I said start in the diet forum and 3j will get you on the right path.
 
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Okay, so diet aside, could you help with the other questions?

1) will the basics suffice: 3 days a week of bicep curl, hammer curl, tricep extensions, pull up bar, chest & leg press (smith machines), pec flys, shoulder raises, lat pull down, bent over rows?


2) Ryan Reynolds put in 22 lbs of muscle and whittled down to just 3% body fat on just L-Glutamine, CLA (Conjugated Linoleic Acid), Whey Protein, multivitamins and creatine.

Is this the place to start for me too? Or was his body down to his unofficial 6 month intake of Sustanol stacked with Winstrol?


Thx
 
Okay, so diet aside, could you help with the other questions?

1) will the basics suffice: 3 days a week of bicep curl, hammer curl, tricep extensions, pull up bar, chest & leg press (smith machines), pec flys, shoulder raises, lat pull down, bent over rows?

Everyone is different and has differing opinions on the amount of rest required. I think thats a little on the minimalist side, I work out 6x a week. Always a different body part. Im not a fan of working "upper body" 3x a week.

My split is roughly
Day 1 Back & Abs
Day 2 Arms bi's tri's
Day 3 Legs & Abs
Day 4 Chest
Day 5 Abs only
Day 6 Back again etc etc

I know when I am overtraining and take some time off when needed.




2) Ryan Reynolds put in 22 lbs of muscle and whittled down to just 3% body fat on just L-Glutamine, CLA (Conjugated Linoleic Acid), Whey Protein, multivitamins and creatine.

Is this the place to start for me too? Or was his body down to his unofficial 6 month intake of Sustanol stacked with Winstrol?

I call BS on this but who am I.....



Thx


Also, you disregarded my comment on cardio, do you do any? If so, how much? You wanna cut get your ass on the treadmill, bike, stepper etc etc

Like 3j says..If this shit were easy everyone would be doing it.
 
Thx for the reply.

I missed your comment on cardio. A friend of mine who has been going to the gym says that you should never start with cardio but end with cardio. Is this true?

And yeah, I agree about RR non gear results. As a noob though, gear shouldn't even be on my radar until at least 24 months of hard training, right?
 
Thx for the reply.

I missed your comment on cardio. A friend of mine who has been going to the gym says that you should never start with cardio but end with cardio. Is this true?

And yeah, I agree about RR non gear results. As a noob though, gear shouldn't even be on my radar until at least 24 months of hard training, right?

It's ok to start your workout with cardio. I do it because it is a good warm-up for your muscles and reduces the chance of pulling a muscle (stretching can sometimes be harmful before a workout). Years ago, when I didn't start out with cardio, I had uncomfortable pulled muscles ALL the time... I also end my leg days with additional cardio (15 Minutes on bike).
 
Thx for the reply.

I missed your comment on cardio. A friend of mine who has been going to the gym says that you should never start with cardio but end with cardio. Is this true?

Here are a few threads and here that explain the pro's and cons of empty stomach cardio. I can tell you im in the pro camp. Ive seen huge improvements since starting the morning cardio.

And yeah, I agree about RR non gear results. As a noob though, gear shouldn't even be on my radar until at least 24 months of hard training, right?

Absolutely correct. I wouldnt even consider gear. Diet and training should be your only consideration at this point IMO.
 
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