New Maximus Member (with questions, of course)

[msn001]

Wanted to say hi and introduce myself. I am a proud new member of Maximus Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT). Been lurking around here for awhile, finally pulled the trigger and got with Chip (hope he feeling better soon). Been on HRT/TRT for awhile with my local GP who just wasnt cutting it. Learned a lot just from reading these forums. Chip was very helpful and got me started. I'm sad to hear that he is under the weather. I am on the standard conservative protocol to start. Going to add a short ester in the near future to see how that treats me. Im on test cyp 200mg E5D, plus Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and Arimidex. My questions are:

1. How how you members that used to be with a GP and getting branded test cyp (I was getting Sandoz from Rite-Aid) find that the compounded test compares? The reason I ask is because on the Sandoz cyp I noticed quite an increase in oily skin (face, back and chest) and a slight change (not an increase, just different) in body odor at 150mg a week. Ive been on the compounded cyp for a couple of weeks at 200mg E5D and I have noticed a couple of things: A) decrease in oily skin B) seem to have lost the change in body odor C) a very slight increase in injection site pain the day after a shot. Nothing major, just a bit of soreness the next day. Just curious what you guys think may be the reason for some of this.

2. My Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) came prescribed at 1000iu's a week, which I thought was high. Chip recommended starting at 250iu's, which I am obviously going to do, since he knows his shit! So my question is, do you guys reconstitute it with 11 mL of the water, since it is very hard to draw up 250 iu's when reconstituted with 5.5 mL. (and does 11 mL fit in the vial the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) comes in?)

3. What are your recommendations for the Arimidex? I think 1mg 3 times a week may be high. I have been waking up in the middle of the night lately covered in sweat nd wasnt sure if this was attributable to estrogen or not and if so is it a high or low issue? Seems like it could be either, or neither. I have had some other issues (male type) but I have already posted a book and I will save the embarassing stuff for later. I know some of you super experienced Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) guys are probably bored to tears with the newbies asking shloads of newbie questions, so - sorry in advance!

 

[Packgus]

1. no comment

2. yes - I used the 11ml it worked fine and fit into the bottle no problem.

3. I recomend start off with 1mg once a week the day after your test injection. This is the hardest thing to dial in because everyone reacts differently.

good luck and welcome to the club!

 

[grilla_b]

Wanted to say hi and introduce myself. I am a proud new member of Maximus Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT). Been lurking around here for awhile, finally pulled the trigger and got with Chip (hope he feeling better soon). Been on HRT/TRT for awhile with my local GP who just wasnt cutting it. Learned a lot just from reading these forums. Chip was very helpful and got me started. I'm sad to hear that he is under the weather. I am on the standard conservative protocol to start. Going to add a short ester in the near future to see how that treats me. Im on test cyp 200mg E5D, plus Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and Arimidex. My questions are:

1. How how you members that used to be with a GP and getting branded test cyp (I was getting Sandoz from Rite-Aid) find that the compounded test compares? The reason I ask is because on the Sandoz cyp I noticed quite an increase in oily skin (face, back and chest) and a slight change (not an increase, just different) in body odor at 150mg a week. Ive been on the compounded cyp for a couple of weeks at 200mg E5D and I have noticed a couple of things: A) decrease in oily skin B) seem to have lost the change in body odor C) a very slight increase in injection site pain the day after a shot. Nothing major, just a bit of soreness the next day. Just curious what you guys think may be the reason for some of this.

2. My Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) came prescribed at 1000iu's a week, which I thought was high. Chip recommended starting at 250iu's, which I am obviously going to do, since he knows his shit! So my question is, do you guys reconstitute it with 11 mL of the water, since it is very hard to draw up 250 iu's when reconstituted with 5.5 mL. (and does 11 mL fit in the vial the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) comes in?)

3. What are your recommendations for the Arimidex? I think 1mg 3 times a week may be high. I have been waking up in the middle of the night lately covered in sweat nd wasnt sure if this was attributable to estrogen or not and if so is it a high or low issue? Seems like it could be either, or neither. I have had some other issues (male type) but I have already posted a book and I will save the embarassing stuff for later. I know some of you super experienced Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) guys are probably bored to tears with the newbies asking shloads of newbie questions, so - sorry in advance!

welcome aboard!

The Maximus Cyp was the first test i ever injected so i can't really comment on your first question.

I'm on the same protocol as you and I got one vial with a 11000 IU of hgc and used all 11 ml of the bac water and squirted it into the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) vial. It's big enough to hold it all.

then you just draw up to the 25 mark on the insulin syringe for 250 IU's of HCG

I take 1mg of anastrozol the day after my test injection. Everyone is different when it comes to estrogen conversion so you'll have to look out for symptoms of high E2 like itchy nips or low E2 fatigue and sore joints... night sweats might be from low E2
you could always wait a little and get a blood test.

 

[msn001]

Thanks for the replies guys. I totally should have used the whole 11 mL for the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG). At least I know for next time. I was holding the two bottles side by side and I just wasn't sure it would all go in.

As far as the arimidex, I think my two biggest problems stem from recognizing whether symptoms are of high or low estrogen and secondly I think there is a lag time between taking a dose and sides presenting themselves and a lag from the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to sides being moderated.

As far as the reduction in oily skin and change in body smell, I wonder if that has to do with compounded cyp being made in smaller batches versus Sandoz or Watson making a billion liters of it at a time and a subsequent lack of qc. I am looking forward to trying the prop, but I will admit I am a little nervous considering what I've read of some of your reactions. Seems to cover the range of "smooth as butter" to "hurts like a mother f@$%er". Hope I'm in the former category. Thanks again. Glad to be part of the team.

 

[cjw2021]

just mix the prop with sterile grape seed oil 1:1 ratio and put it in a hot glass of water for a minute to help it mix faster and the pain is gone if you go with prop. high e2 symptoms are moodiness, acne, not feeling like you are on testosterone, no evening wood...etc.

 

[msn001]

Well then Id say my e2 is high. Is grape seed oil something I need to get from Chip or elsewhere?

 

[cjw2021]

I got my grapeseed oil from research supply . net

 

[DeusMalo]

Shit - never hit submit - I use multiple puters and just noticed this from the day you posted... anyway:

Welcome aboard!

1. I've noticed zero difference compared with Sandoz. The Aromatase inhibitor (AI) you received from Maximus probably has more to do with less oily skin - though I don't know about body odor. Didn't have that issue nor have I heard about it (though not something I'd focus on when talking to people/researching).

2. I mix my Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) with 11ml so 1000iu/ml - measure in insulin syringe and it's very easy for me to calculate. Never had an issue mixing 11ml in the vial w/HCG - w/room left over.

3. re: Arimidex - everyone is different. Probably better if you post your estrogen reading, your weight and bf% before getting a lot of opinions... though Chip and Maximus doctor would have accounted for all your factors when prescribing. I researched adex dosage tons and hard to find a consistent opinion (outside doing tons of test). Really depends on your current e2 levels and amount you aromatize, which is different for everyone. At 200mg t cyp e5d, in theory, 1mg 3x/week is a good starting dose (half life is 72-hours) but many here will have different opinions... none are wrong since based on different experiences. 1mg 3x/week drove my e2 too low on 200mg t cyp e5d so I completely stopped AI- I don't hardly aromatize though and so not sure I'm a good benchmark... when I went to 1000iu hcg/week to give my boys a boost, my e2 went high (higher dosages of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) can really drive estrogen up) so I took .5mg ed for 10-days to get things back in line... now I'm at .5mg 2x/week which has been working well for a few weeks but I am really still tuning since the half life of adex doesn't seem to play well with my lower rate of aromatization (or I could be the rare one who doesn't work well with adex itself).

If your e2 is over 40 and you have bf >20%, try 1mg 3x/week on your protocol, take blood in 2-3 weeks and see where your e2 is. Also, as it drops your estrogen, your SHBG will drop and you'll really notice a big increase in energy, clarity and libido. If it's in the 20s, back off slightly, adjust from there (and be sure to check again in 4-8-weeks). If you were on 3x/week on protocol and got your e2 down, the dose could be enough to drive it too low hence why slightly lower dosage.

It'll take a couple months for you to dial yourself in and will take some extra work in the beginning. You have to figure out where your own homeostasis is.

I got sweats at night with e2 both too high and too low -- a lot of lethargy too. Lower libido when too high, not bad when low. However, when TOO low, I have lots of aches and pains which really suck.

 

[msn001]

Dues- thanks for the welcome! I have been researching the Hell out of estrogen since I started and find myself in the same boat. Shit ton of info but all of it different from person to person. I was on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for a while without the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) or Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) so this is a big change. My "boys" really haven't come back to normal yet at 250 iu twice a week so I'm thinking about increasing. I am pretty sure my estrogen is high. Low libido and significant difficulty getting/maintaining erections. The thing that threw me off was the night sweats I was having as I had thought that was attributable to low e only. If its present with high e too then that explains it. I was feeling real foggy and out of it too. Was starting to scare me a little. Still kind of is. I require concentration and observation in my job and I've been just out of it. I took another 200mg this morning. My ass hurts now! Not sure why this has affected me more than the old stuff, but im sure I will adjust. Thanks for the help as I certainly need all I can get!

 

[DeusMalo]

I feel way more foggy and out of it with high e2 vs. low. Not ideal in either state, but I am like a different person - you are right about being able to focus - i need to be sharp as a tack and definitely not. I wouldn't worry too much since you can control your estrogen level now... While it seems high, I'd get your e2 checked to know how you feel at whatever level it is - great benchmark. Then drive it the other direction (probably down).

250iu 2x/week didn't do much for me that's why I popped it up. There is risk running Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) too high for too long so I do back off every few weeks. No idea whether this is good or not, but working for me.

 

[JKB]

250iu 2x/week didn't do much for me that's why I popped it up. There is risk running Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) too high for too long so I do back off every few weeks. No idea whether this is good or not, but working for me.

DEUS - What dosage did you increase your Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to??

 

[DeusMalo]

1000iu/week

 

[rowdybrad]

I can't send PM's yet it seems and had a question about the conservative protocol. At the dosage of OP, is the amount given in the email, with price and amounts, roughly a 3 month supply.

I suck at figuring the med amounts and what not.

Brad