New user cycle 20 years old 2.5 years training time

[Deepgoat]

I'm a paranoid lifter, I scrutinize all of my lifts, i check my form every day and constantly try to improve. I know I'm going to catch flack for being 20 years old and wanting to juice. All this being said. I work extremely hard as hard as I can and I want to cycle

I was going to run a 12 week cycle on 250mg Which from what I understand is low.
From what I understand if you periodically ramp up your "blast doses" your receptors allow better use of the test so eventually you can run a gram with incredible gains.

My real question is, should I cycle completely off because of my age and then blast again or should I cruise when I'm not blasting.
Also if anyone can fill me in on wither or not I should run HCG and nolvadex on my cycle. I get man boobs pretty easily whenever I gain fat, it comes with water, I assume I'm estrogen prone.

Any info to keep a young guy from fucking himself up completely would be appreciated. I'm open to learning / being mentored.

Edit: I'm 5'10 210 fatty, I had a bit of a rough time and went from 185 to 220. But I will cut down to 190 lean. I can bench 320 squat 405+ and deadlift a bit lower than my squat. Yes I pause my bench, yes I hit depth on squat, no I don't hitch my deadlift.

 

[fitguy22]

you are to young and i know you won't listen and still go ahead an do a cycle and you should consider waiting till you are at least 25 it'll be easier to recover from a cycle. if you still want to go ahead then run a TEST for 12 weeks with 500mg(split into 2 shots) monday am and thursday pm. take an AI to control the gyno and water retention. wait 2 weeks after your last pin and start PCT of clomid and Nlova.

 

[Dr. G]

Bench 315 twelve times and come back.

I need to see pics. Chances are you're fat, or dieting inadequately. From my experience after natty training for 3 years your gains will pretty much stop - it's all conditioning afterwards.

 

[waceyf]

Too young. You don't need it and it's a waste of money at your age.

 

[Ocean Rhino]

Bench 315 twelve times and come back.

I need to see pics. Chances are you're fat, or dieting inadequately. From my experience after natty training for 3 years your gains will pretty much stop - it's all conditioning afterwards.

That's a short sighted metric, some people don't have the genetics to get to that strength naturally.

That said, read more OP, all the answers you are looking for are here in the board's considerable amount of stored knowledge. You should try and plateau yourself naturally though, proper diet, try different workouts (5-3-1, 5X5, Big Six, Matrix etc.) Read all stickies in all forums here. Good start for you.

 

[sadpanda]

i started at 20

not a good decision man

you are just asking for addiction

stay natural as long as you can, after you have kids, and test levels drop, go for it

learn from my mistake lol you still have a chance!

 

[Deepgoat]

315 twelve times is a bit much, honestly I don't even think top lifters like Ben rice natty could do that. I could probably hit that natty in 2 years though. 320 is my max so obviously I can't do it. I never mentioned that I wasn't having any difficulty gaining strength. I'm not into the bodybuilding scene. I'm not your average 20 year old party hardy. I don't drink or do any drugs. I mostly just concentrate on lifting. I'm running smolov at the moment.

 

[Deepgoat]

I was blessed with great genetics for size and strength. Only thing is I fucked up any advantage i had through poor eating, obesity and shit posture for years and years. Now I spend every day trying to make up wasted time.

 

[Ocean Rhino]

315x12 is not that much, I did it natty at 24, but I started training at 14 and have decent genetics for 6'4".

 

[Deepgoat]

i started at 20

not a good decision man

you are just asking for addiction

stay natural as long as you can, after you have kids, and test levels drop, go for it

learn from my mistake lol you still have a chance!

Sad if you don't mind me asking. What do you regret. I'm still open to being convinced to wait.

 

[Deepgoat]

315x12 is not that much, I did it natty at 24, but I started training at 14 and have decent genetics for 6'4".

Seems reasonable. I feeel I could hit it natty in time. Strong lift bro.

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Any info to keep a young guy from fucking himself up completely would be appreciated. I'm open to learning / being mentored.

There is always a chance of fucking up your natty test. Higher risk at age 20.
That being said i started at 20 and your gonna do what you want aswell. Just keep in mind its certainly not risk free no matter how safe you are.

Its always a good idea to run hcg on cycle. Nolva is only needed for PCT, unless you start to develop gyno in which case use it on cycle aswell. If you manage estrogen properly it shouldnt be an issue tho. What AI are you going to use?

Really isn't much point running 250mg. Its only gonna put you slightly over your natural levels, why shut yourself down for that? Go for gold imo, run 500mg for 12weeks.

Please dont consider blast and cruise Already... If you have't even runna first cycle yet or experienced anything with exogenous tesosterone and your considering making it a lifetime commitement already?
Remember the longer you keep yourself shut down the worse the risk of never getting natty test back becomes. Really the only reason to blast and cruise is if your going pro or on TRT.

You have some research to do before you touch anything bro. You should really consider if its worth it

 

[Dr. G]

315x12 is not that much, I did it natty at 24, but I started training at 14 and have decent genetics for 6'4".

The main bottleneck would probably be arms.

My monkey arm wing span is over 3ft benching 315+ is annoying.

 

[Deepgoat]

True Prince. I agree I have a lot more research before I can cycle. I was hoping to cycle when I hit a 500 pound squat raw. I just really want to get into the power lifting scene and push myself. So correct me, starting a low cycle and then going on higher cycles has no benefit?

 

[BigGains]

True Prince. I agree I have a lot more research before I can cycle. I was hoping to cycle when I hit a 500 pound squat raw. I just really want to get into the power lifting scene and push myself. So correct me, starting a low cycle and then going on higher cycles has no benefit?

Starting at the dosage you mentioned (250mg) isn't worth it, as pdbol mentioned above. Assuming you wait until you're 25 or older, 500mg/week is a good starting point (test only). Assuming you have the proper ancillaries (HCG on cycle, Clomid/nolvadex or torem pct), and you react well to test, increasing the dose on subsequent cycles could produce better results. I emphasize could....a buddy of mine was rolling at 500mg/week. On his 2nd cycle, he got burned by doing 800mg/week. He felt great, but ended up getting purple/black bacne and was very self conscience about taking his shirt off anywhere. In addition, the bacne (acne on his back) was so painful that he literally couldn't sit in a chair with a back to it for a long period of time.

So, while there are some general guidelines to this, everyone is different and you'd be hard pressed to find a universal logic that would apply exactly to you. That's why the experienced guys on this forum suggest starting with test only, and slowly upping the dose and/or additional compounds should you react favorably to test. It's a marathon my man....and I can't think of a time where it'd be prudent to do a full out sprint in such a long race.

Lastly, I have 15yrs on you (I'm 35), and haven't started my first cycle. If my HPTA doesn't fully recover, and I needed to jump on trt, it wouldn't be the end of the world necessarily. But, having to do the same at 20yrs old....it just wouldn't be the most attractive situation. You have time to research a ton about training, nutrition, recovery and all of the various compound profiles. Take advantage of the wealth of info on this site, so when you're ready, you're truly ready. The most anabolic substance on the planet is.......FOOD. Get you nutrition dialed in and you'll be flying the guys who don't (on or off cycle).

 

[PrinceDianabol]

True Prince. I agree I have a lot more research before I can cycle. I was hoping to cycle when I hit a 500 pound squat raw. I just really want to get into the power lifting scene and push myself. So correct me, starting a low cycle and then going on higher cycles has no benefit?

There is never a need to taper dosages, unless testing for sides at higher dosages. At your stats and experience, there is no need to be tapering or to go over 500mg weekly. The body can only grow so much muscle at a time. In your case, 500mg will have you exploding in growth. Changing that dosage any higher will result in minimal extra gains over a 500mg dose, but produce a lot more side effects.

After you've done a couple cycles, and added a lot more mass then the need for higher dosages will become worth it, because you'll need more to continue to grow at an accelerated rate. But at this stage it certainly won't benefit you at all vs risk & cost.

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Take advantage of the wealth of info on this site, so when you're ready, you're truly ready. The most anabolic substance on the planet is.......FOOD. Get you nutrition dialed in and you'll be flying the guys who don't (on or off cycle).

Absolutely correct. I can't even begin to tell you what I would give to know what I know now about proper nutrition and dieting rather than have jumped into AAS. You can take all the drugs in the world and grow fuck all with a shitty diet... but you get your diet on point and the results will come so so much faster. Not to mention you need to know your diet is in tune before cycling, or you risk losing a large portion of whatever you gained on the cycle once you come off.

 

[DreDay187]

The main bottleneck would probably be arms.

My monkey arm wing span is over 3ft benching 315+ is annoying.

They make for an inefficient bench sure but that usually means you can pull (deadlift) like a mofo

 

[DreDay187]

Starting at the dosage you mentioned (250mg) isn't worth it, as pdbol mentioned above. Assuming you wait until you're 25 or older, 500mg/week is a good starting point (test only). Assuming you have the proper ancillaries (HCG on cycle, Clomid/nolvadex or torem pct), and you react well to test, increasing the dose on subsequent cycles could produce better results. I emphasize could....a buddy of mine was rolling at 500mg/week. On his 2nd cycle, he got burned by doing 800mg/week. He felt great, but ended up getting purple/black bacne and was very self conscience about taking his shirt off anywhere. In addition, the bacne (acne on his back) was so painful that he literally couldn't sit in a chair with a back to it for a long period of time.

So, while there are some general guidelines to this, everyone is different and you'd be hard pressed to find a universal logic that would apply exactly to you. That's why the experienced guys on this forum suggest starting with test only, and slowly upping the dose and/or additional compounds should you react favorably to test. It's a marathon my man....and I can't think of a time where it'd be prudent to do a full out sprint in such a long race.

Lastly, I have 15yrs on you (I'm 35), and haven't started my first cycle. If my HPTA doesn't fully recover, and I needed to jump on trt, it wouldn't be the end of the world necessarily. But, having to do the same at 20yrs old....it just wouldn't be the most attractive situation. You have time to research a ton about training, nutrition, recovery and all of the various compound profiles. Take advantage of the wealth of info on this site, so when you're ready, you're truly ready. The most anabolic substance on the planet is.......FOOD. Get you nutrition dialed in and you'll be flying the guys who don't (on or off cycle).

This is a really great post.

 

[Ocean Rhino]

The main bottleneck would probably be arms.

My monkey arm wing span is over 3ft benching 315+ is annoying.

I am right about 35" pit to fingertip. I feel you, but the amount of power you have the potential to generate being a taller guy is insane; I remember getting manhandled by taller O line men who couldn't move near the weight I could in the gym; leverage counts. Of course, the shorter path from nipple to lockout is better for maximum effort, but it's not inconceivable to press 500+ especially with gear helping. At least, that's what I keep telling myself on my quest hah.