Newb help with 1st Cycle

king87

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First off I'm new to the forum....lots of useful info on here! Ive been working out 2 yrs solid as of July 22. Initially started off as just fast loss (weighed 240ls). Started eating right, cardio heavy 4-5 days a week, and a few months in started lifting weights. Soon after starting to lift I really wanted to put on size but focused on fat loss. Fast foward to 2 years (current) Im down to 170lbs and feel I'm stuck. I got down to around 160obs earlier this year and didn't like the feeling of being that size. I felt like a little kid. I'm 24 years old and 5'8. For the past year I've tried a few different things to get more mass but have not succeeded to where I'd like to be. Been looking around to start a cycle but still skeptical. From what Ive been reading on here it's best to run test only first but even still idk where to begin as I see there is options of test. Not even sure Id be a good candidate to do a cycle so any advice on that as well would be appreciated.
 
before trying a cycle i would change your diet, because if you cant gain off cycle you wont gain on cycle.
How many cals you eating per day atm?
Post up a sample of your daily diet then we can get a better idea of how to help you.
 
As mentioned already, diet check. But, you mentioned your initial goals was weight loss, including alot of cardio and I assume light weight lots of reps. You wanna really bust the muscles in the gym, heavy weight (80% of max) with 3-6 reps. So a combination of diet, not just what to eat, but when, and how much is important. So is training, and type of training.
 
I eat about 3k calories a day. I eat pretty clean for the most part. I eat 4-6 times a day.

6am-Shake
8am-meal
10am-snack-
12am-meal
2pm-snack
4pm-shake
6pm- gym
8pm-shake
9pm- Final meal

For the past 6 months I've lifted heavy on all sets except warmup. Havnt really noticed a different in size or definition. Cut out cardio as well.
 
Ive tried eating more but never got past doing it a few weeks because I only noticed a difference in my gut and nowhere else.
 
If you are lifting "heavy" and you aren't gaining weight and not losing weight then you're eating just enough calories to break even. Calories in equal calories out. Start adding 500calories per day for a week. Then when you're ready to slowly gain some more, add another 500 calories per day.Just make small 500 calorie adjustments so you dont force fat storage or "starvation" mode.

Also don't be afraid of carbs. Especially when trying to add weight. Not saying that you are, but a lot of my friends who can't gain muscle mass just wont eat carbs. So your body breaks the protein you are eating down into energy instead of using it for muscle repair.
 
If you are lifting "heavy" and you aren't gaining weight and not losing weight then you're eating just enough calories to break even. Calories in equal calories out. Start adding 500calories per day for a week. Then when you're ready to slowly gain some more, add another 500 calories per day.Just make small 500 calorie adjustments so you dont force fat storage or "starvation" mode.

Also don't be afraid of carbs. Especially when trying to add weight. Not saying that you are, but a lot of my friends who can't gain muscle mass just wont eat carbs. So your body breaks the protein you are eating down into energy instead of using it for muscle repair.

Carbs is where I have been focusing the past couple of weeks. To see if I can notice a difference. Im doubling up on my oats and try to keep in earlier in the morning/afternoon. I work out in the evenings....does it effect me for me to lift heavy and not have carbs in my meal afterwards? I imagine that going to bed with those carbs in there cant be good.
 
IMO you need simple carbs after your workout to push your body into recovery and out of the "trauma" you just put it through. I like 100g dextrose/50g whey in a shaker. 2:1 ratio simple carbs:protein. No matter how late it is. Then an hour later have your casein or whatever you drink or eat before bed.
 
IMO you need simple carbs after your workout to push your body into recovery and out of the "trauma" you just put it through. I like 100g dextrose/50g whey in a shaker. 2:1 ratio simple carbs:protein. No matter how late it is. Then an hour later have your casein or whatever you drink or eat before bed.

Well I the thing is I workout in the evenings (afterwork). Im usually in the gym about 6-8pm. I get home have my shake, shower, then have dinner around 9...try to be asleep at 10. So because the timing is so close I usually dont have a before bed shake. And I eat pretty hefty servings. No hate but just curious why you guys would try to sway me away from taking the leap? I feel I have a pretty solid routine and diet, just don't see the results.
 
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