Newb starting TRT with a few questions?

[Blippy]

Hello All, Total Newb to this site and to self med of TRT 250mg Test E and Somatropin?? with a different reason than most I believe.....Healing of damaged tendons,muscle repair.


Vitals-
Age- 46
Weight- 175 +/-
Height- 5'9"
BF- assumed below 15%. Healthy eating habits
Build- Medium Athletic- toned
Activity Level- Always Active( Offroad Motorcycle Enduros and hare Scrambles)


So back in 2016 I was diagnosed with Lymes( tick bite) and after 2 courses of Doxycycline, which wreaked havoc on my systems, the ailments were somewhat staved. However, I have noticed lingering symptoms of the Lymes(achy joints/stiffness) and the Doxy(leaky Gut)..I have chosen for most the natural approach which means change of diet,no/little sugars , lo carbs and fitness....this has been working fairly well for the past 2 years. However both of my Distal Tendons Left(2016) and Right (2017) have torn during typical activity and needed surgical repair. Although I will never get a straight answer from a Doctor.... the tearing comes from the Doxycyline. Known to weaken Tendons.
My last visit to a Disease Specialist stated he'd put me on a 30 day Pic line with a bag of some heavy duty Antibiotics.....um No.

At the moment,I am 6 weeks post surgery Distal Tear Left Bicep and have been released for resistance bands "No Weights" for Physical Therapy. My exercise is limited to cycling ,rowing machine and resistance bands which I do 3-5 x's a week.

I chose this route after giving up with the western medicine approach of being prescribed extremely harsh scripts. A month back I had a conversation with a coworker telling him about my ordeal. He is an experienced competition bodybuilder with knowledge of this realm and he suggested,acquired this regimen for me.

(please pardon my lack of knowledge of nomenclature/terms)

4 of 250mg/ml-10ML of Test E

30 vials of Somatropin(white powder) Each small vial is 1 Ml of reconstitute. So 2.5 servings(.4 mg) per.
Sorry I do not have more info as to mg per dose and the actual name of product.I was told Somatropin. I am reaching out to my source for this information.


I am:

4 weeks into Test E @ 750mg every 5 days.

week 1- 2 x day .4 mg of Somatropin(front load?)

week 2- 1 x day .4 mg(just started)


My questions are:

-Somatropin quantity will get me 7 weeks worth. Is this enough?

-Is 750 Mg Test E per every 5 days too much ?

-Should I split 500 mg of Test E to 250 mg per serving 3 days apart?

-I am holding water will this subside? Mostly noticed during the Somatropin being introduced to my system. My face is starting to look like a Shar pei!

-Blood Test? I see mid cycle literature in "Ology" and Links for Blood work Female Hormone w/E2? Is it worth my effort most likely this is my only cycle. After review of the sites reference for blood work, I live in a State that does not allow this......I feel asking my doctor is wrong?

-Will I need a secondary Blood Test post cycle? obvious follow up from above question

-TRT long term or will one cycle help me get back?

-What is a normal TRT cycle length and typical amount daily?

-I have ordered DIM from info gathered on Ology and at 19 bucks didnt feel it to be too much of a gamble if not needed. Should I include this in my daily routine?

-I am also on Antler drops I believe it contains IGF-1?. Loaded up on prior to bicep surgery for its claimed healing properties. I say it works. Should I just stop that ?

Please keep in mind I have zero experience with terms or ********. I have navigated the site and am starting to understand-Very informative- I am not looking for massive gains just to revive and heal.

Feedback greatly appreciated.

Blippy

 

[scorob777]

Your buddy gave you a first cycle of 1,050 mg/wk of Test E - with no aromatase inhibitor. That's why you are holding water, and no it won't get better by itself. And it may cause a bunch of other nasty high estrogen side effect too, like loss of libido and erections, high blood pressure, growing tits, acne, crying watching TV, etc.

That's much too high of a dose, first cycle should be 500 mg/wk - you can do 250 mg E3.5D. And get some aromasin at 12.5 mg EOD or arimidex at 0.25 mg EOD for this 500 mg/wk dose. If you insist on staying at 1,050 double the AI dose.

Have you thought about how long to run, how long to wait after last shot, and then what to do for post cycle therapy? Most important part.

 

[Blippy]

Your buddy gave you a first cycle of 1,050 mg/wk of Test E - with no aromatase inhibitor. That's why you are holding water, and no it won't get better by itself. And it may cause a bunch of other nasty high estrogen side effect too, like loss of libido and erections, high blood pressure, growing tits, acne, crying watching TV, etc.

That's much too high of a dose, first cycle should be 500 mg/wk - you can do 250 mg E3.5D. And get some aromasin at 12.5 mg EOD or arimidex at 0.25 mg EOD for this 500 mg/wk dose. If you insist on staying at 1,050 double the AI dose.

Have you thought about how long to run, how long to wait after last shot, and then what to do for post cycle therapy? Most important part.

That is all he gave me . Said if I start nipping to call he has a blocker. Test E has been every 5th day I think it's 750 mg per week... 250mg/ml 10 ml per vial. I will back it down to total of 500mg p/wk. Yesterday was 300mg. And no pct was never explained.

 

[Mycelium]

I read your post to mean you are doing 750mg every 5 days for TRT. That's pretty high. Over 100 mg and up to 200mg per week is usual doses.

Definitely need something to control estrogen regardless if it's a cycle or TRT.

If it's your connective tissue like tendons that are weakened do you really want stronger muscles?

Is there something out there for tendons and such?

 

[scorob777]

I read your post to mean you are doing 750mg every 5 days for TRT. That's pretty high. Over 100 mg and up to 200mg per week is usual doses.

Definitely need something to control estrogen regardless if it's a cycle or TRT.

If it's your connective tissue like tendons that are weakened do you really want stronger muscles?

Is there something out there for tendons and such?

Yeah, this is an AAS cycle, not TRT. Big risk of stronger muscles damaging weak tendons.

Nandrolone and boldenone are good for tendons, test up to no more than 200 mg/wk is too, but not beyond that.

 

[Blippy]

Thanks all for the replies. All feedback is noted.

I have backed down to 500mg Test E - 250 mg every 3.5 days

Also introduced an AI into the game. DIM its an OTC 200mg orally a day

The bloat has subsided a touch as far as my face looking like a shar pei its gone down.

PIP of the Test E is something awful.

Can the Test E, being that it's thicker viscosity, be loaded w/25 gauge then swap sharps for an insulin sharp for an IM injection?

 

[Mycelium]

500mg a week is still a cycle bro. 500mg week is like the standard 1st cycle protocol.

200mg a week pushes people out of the "normal" range all the time.

DIM clears estrogen from the body according to my TRT doc. It doesn't inhibit aromatase. I have elevated estrogen due to meds and get an AI and the doctor recommended broccoli or DIM to help clear estrogen, not inhibit it's creation.

Smaller guage needle for injection will make it harder to inject. A smaller hole may lead to less PIP but some esters and some AAS are more painful than other. I take test cyp sub-q and PIP is barely there. Also if the mg/mL is higher ive read PIP can be worse. A 200mg/mL compared to say test 400/400mg/no.

I also noticed if I take my time pushing in the test PIP is lower. I just shoved down on the plunger once and it left a sore knot rather than just a tender spot.

 

[Entourage_Doc]

lol definitely not in the realm of TRT. That is a steroid cycle.

 

[Blippy]

Once again thanks for the feedback.....yes I'm a noob and hopped on the band wagon w/little or no actual invested research..Lesson learned.

My goal is to add some meat to my bones and snap back into the shape I carried for most of my adult life.
Ive always eaten,slept well and even when the Lymes slammed down on me, I kept a muscular tone through that endeavor...... just lost weight.

in the past few weeks even with the water swell I have notice the muscles are popping and the stamina seems to be elevated. i haven't hit a scale recently but I'd say probably packed on 10 lbs or more with my diet/cycle. I will continue this regimen and also research a PCT prior to cycle end.

Once again thanks for the feedback and have to say this site is very informative. I find this subject to be extremely interesting.

 

[scorob777]

Thanks all for the replies. All feedback is noted.

I have backed down to 500mg Test E - 250 mg every 3.5 days

Also introduced an AI into the game. DIM its an OTC 200mg orally a day

The bloat has subsided a touch as far as my face looking like a shar pei its gone down.

PIP of the Test E is something awful.

Can the Test E, being that it's thicker viscosity, be loaded w/25 gauge then swap sharps for an insulin sharp for an IM injection?

Blippy, I wonder if you understand what we are telling you? The upper bound for TRT is about 200 mg/wk Test. 500 mg/wk is a bodybuilding cycle.

I know nothing about your weak tendon situation, but I would be worried that if you ruptured two tendons not on cycle, what might happen when you are on? I'd be really careful if I were you.

As Mycelium said DIM is not an AI, but is a step in the right direction. If you can pick up some aromasin (exemestane). If you insist on staying at 500 mg/wk Test then take 12.5 mg EOD. If you drop down to a TRT dose you may need none or very little.

The idea of using AAS to help your situation may not be a bad one, I would suggest you look into Boldenone as it is known to help with soft tissue healing and collagen synthesis. You could drop your Test down to something like 150 to 200 mg/wk which is a high TRT dose, and take Boldenone at 400 to 600 mg/wk. Again be careful with any strength gains and overdoing it on your tendons.

You can run Test or Boldenone 12 to 16 week range, then you need to stop. After you stop you wait a period of time that depends on compound half life and dosage, then once that time is up you start taking PCT drugs clomid and nolvadex. During that gap you keep taking the AI, then stop when you start the clomid & nolva. If you don't want to get messed up worse than you are now you need to plan this part of your cycle out and get the right PCT drugs.

 

[Slhardee]

You have some above good advice. If you want to know more about TRT and how it works, read the sticky...
https://www.steroidology.com/forum/testosterone-replacement-therapy/662394-basic-trt-overview.html

 

[Blippy]

@tankmanbob.....thank you for spelling it out.

I will look into the things you have mentioned.

 

[Slhardee]

FYI , as far as your weak tendon situation, most guys would add a second compound to your testosterone. Decs is the best compound for helping with tendonitis and issues such as this. Deça can help lubricate the joints, as well as decrease tendon inflammation. The problem with deca is finding the sweet spot, similar to your to your TRT. Deca is known to have bad sides when you take too much over a long period of time. Sexual dysfunction i.e. decca-dick and elevated estrogen levels are just a couple. A good dose without going into the danger zone is approximately 130 mg per week.

I saw on your original post you also mentioned Somatropin for seven weeks. This is a terrible idea. Somatropin or HGH is generally run for long periods of time usually at least six months worth. HGH can help and healing your body but needs to be taken for longer periods of time.

Good luck!!

 

[Mycelium]

Not advice or info but please keep us posted regardless. Doses, labs, how you feel.

Even if you disregard everything and start injecting 3,000 mg a week keep posting!!!

 

[Dragot]

On Somatropin - pure waste of time and money. First and foremost - rHGH will not help with injuries. For that, I suggest research TB-500. Second, while Growth Hormone is proven to have benefits for both muscle growth and/or anti-aging, for any positive effect to be advertised, at least six months of use is necessary.

1 vial = 10IU (assuming you reconstitute with 1ml.) You should start with 1IU per day for the first 2 weeks (first thing in am), then do 2UI per day (am/pm). 2IU is anti-aging dose. From there, the bodybuilding journey begins. Now, to evaluate the effectiveness, you should get your baseline IGF-1 number. GH converts in the liver (primarily) to IGF-1 and so, at 3-4 weeks mark if IGF-1 is raised, you will know it is working.

30 vials = 300UI/2IU = 150 days. This is not nearly enough to see fat loss, lean mass growth... hence waste of time and money.

 

[Slhardee]

You definately need baseline labs done prior to starting HGH. If you have unlimited dough, it***8217;s not a waste of money. However, if you think over a grand a month is peanuts , then go to an anti aging clinic and get it prescribed legally. I think the above point is it***8217;s a waste of money for how long it needs to be run vs the cost vs the benefit. I agree from experience with this point.

 

[Dragot]

This is exactly what I meant. I am 55, went on HRT (Testosterone replacement plus HGH replacement since my baseline IGF-1 was 96) and in 16 months went from BF ~28% to 10.1% currently. Of course, cleaned my diet as well, but in terms of exercise -cardio only...

The "harsh" language about "waste of money" is precisely because in such short term (three months) one cannot see any benefits whatsoever (besides nails growing faster as the rumor goes).

 

[scorob777]

Impressive results Dragot. I bet it changed your life for the better.

Any improvements in sex life, libido, performance???

 

[Dragot]

To say I feel (or perform) like 25y old (HGH is not a fountain of youth) will be a lie. However, it gave me a peak trough the back window. Lost morning wood in my early fifties, libido was in the crapper, low "life" drive, did not wanted to be out with people... Typical elderly male that lost hope. Then found this forum (I kid you not) and the idea of TRT got in to my mind. Slept on my physician's doorsteps for few week until finally convinced him to run all hormone tests and what do you know - borderline low T, waaay low Free T, high E2, IGF-1 as 90 years old. He wrote me a script for Test Cand I started 2UI GH on my own. Two months later morning wood come back with a vengeance, I could not walk around my wife without slapping he on the rear. Energy in excess - had to sign for the gym (my first gym visit at 54) and HAD to be there every day of the week, two times on Saturday or else will burst in flames. At the six months mark realized nothing fits me anymore. From 38 relax fit I wear 32 pants size now (and need a belt).

Wife is on GH as well. Dropped 40lb, reversed menopausal symptoms in 4-5 months, currently training for NPC competition next year for 50+ class... I am true believer HRT is the future. My results (while might not be typical) are the living proof.

By no means I want to undermine THIS forum. It is a wonderful place with a wealth of knowledge. I am active on another board when comes to HGH and if anyone is interested in our journey, Google this "effect-of-hgh-and-peptides-on-people-past-their-prime", but then come back here because in terms of TRT knowledge, this place is the place to be.

 

[scorob777]

Thanks for the info. I'm 50 and have pretty much the same story as you. Can't imagine going back to a hormone free past.