Newcomer and his problems! Need answers asap.

[Akhillees]

Hello!

I have a problem that I get different information from everybody about what my cycle should be.

This guy who I know suggested me to do low dosage Winstrol (winny) and tren (maybe deca) for the first cycle and clomid pct for 3 weeks and I asked here and everybody was saying no definetely not, always do your first cycle only with testo. That he just tries to sell his shit to you.

I talked with this guy and he referred that he hasn't been taking test for ages due to the nasty side-effects of it and It would be safer just to take parabolan and Winstrol (winny) (MAYBE deca) for me to accomplish my goals (Loose fat and get little bit more lean muscle). He said the reason is that you will get lean muscle mass with these substances without loosing it after it as it would happen with just test. He said "why drive a shitty car when you can drive a quality car"... Also the dosage what I will take (first post) would be so small, that I wouldn't need any Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and for PCT clomid will just work fine.

I need asap opinions about this, really making me think, since I know you all guys have done your research but also this guy who is saying these things knows his stuff, he's competed in many bodybuilding competitions and heäf has been HUGE and really ripped and he still is big, not so ripped as in competitions... He also said he has seen pretty fucked up guys who have used test and seen the results with those cycles and like 2 months after the cycle. In my country the test is not always 100% legit and also hard to be sure that it is real gear and you don't know have people diluted it by themselves...

So whats up with the knowledge is just so different from here and from him?

 

[Sharmacus]

Wow. Just wow. Your friend is a fucking idiot. Unbelievable how many clueless idiots there are who want to do steroids. Absolutely can't believe it.

 

[Dr.Phoenix]

You are TOTALLY wrong and lost ... Start researching all over fro zero point...

 

[Sharmacus]

If test is not always a hundred percent legit in your country, which must be Antarctica, then I don't want to know the percentage of legitness for deca or tren or things like that. I agree with phoenix. Start from scratch with your research and form your own views and opinions. Never rely on someone else and then just do what they say. Idiotic thing to do.

 

[Akhillees]

I am wrong and lost..?!? I can't be wrong since I'm not making any statements. I'm trying to find clarity in this whole situation..

But he's been into so many competitions and since he's big and I've seen pictures of him really ripped and huge, It's the only thing why I'm still discussing this thing with you guys. He's also not a young guy so that would add his realiabity also. And here I haven't had any advice from a competing bodybuilder...

What are his motives then for doing this??

 

[kaname]

I am wrong and lost..?!? I can't be wrong since I'm not making any statements. I'm trying to find clarity in this whole situation..

You're full of ish. Way too many stickies and post about the topic that would have answered your question. What makes making this post any different? Do you some how trust the random strangers in this thread more than you trust the stickies?

To say you are getting conflicting information....O rly? So you trust us more than your friends? And if you do trust us so much, then why not read the stickies on the website? Lazy a**.....

I was going to post you a bunch of links to read but screw that do your on search. Read read read. Then formulate a good question if needed. Actually I'll help you out with the post cycle therapy (pct) part:

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/595482-standard-post cycle therapy (pct)s.html

edit: Noticed you said ASAP. That's funny because nothing in this game should be done in a hurry. So unless you ucked yourself up then you should be patient and taking in a ton of info.

 

[Akhillees]

I'm sorry if I didn't put my question in understandable form. I have read quite many stickies and I don't claim I know everything or even that much that I'm able to even start any cycle yet, but I'm trying find out what is his true motives of saying so different info than you will find out here... Is he just ignorant but If he's so wrong, how has he been able to compete and keep fit & healthy with that "wrong knowledge" for so long...

EDIT: I won't take anything before I'm totally sure of the info that I've read, rechecked the info and after that I will still ask about it in this forum in my own post. My body is not something to play with, I won't do anything unless I know excatly what I'm doing.

 

[kaname]

Is he just ignorant but If he's so wrong, how has he been able to compete and keep fit & healthy with that "wrong knowledge" for so long...

Getting away with it doesn't make it the correct thing to do. Some athletes make using drugs a normal part of their training protocol, some make it, and some drop dead. I'd also be curious to know if the guy is truly running his cycles the way he tells you to run yours and if there isn't any other substances that he runs.

You start off simple in the beginning to see how your body reacts to each substance. By slowly adding things in throughout different cycles you can adjust for unwanted sides effects and god forbid if something major in the realm of medical happens, you can narrow things down a hell of lot quicker knowing that you didn't start feeling "x" until you added "y" substance. Things like tren by the way is hard on the body, not a good starting point.

 

[tbonexl]

I know a big dude that said he don't take test cuz of the sides. He is big as hell, but he said is Dick don't work and hasn't busted a nut in years...

 

[Sharmacus]

I know a big dude that said he don't take test cuz of the sides. He is big as hell, but he said is Dick don't work and hasn't busted a nut in years...

Lol yeah along the lines of what I was going to say. How does the OP know his friend is fit and healthy? Have you seen his blood tests? Have you seen his insides? His small balls? Just because he's big and looks fit, doesn't mean he's healthy. I bet he can't run let alone jog further than 100M.

 

[Vino 1]

Hey OP just do your research. Read up on Test E only first cycles. From my own experience this is the best, safest way to first cycle. I see so many threads like yours always saying they have a bodybuilder friend advising some serious bad advice. It's so common and happens OFTEN. Just do plenty of reaearch before u decide. I suggest a test e only cycle with an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and proper post cycle therapy (pct). look it up be safe

 

[Methodology]

Basically, anyone here will tell you that you need to have your AAs (and/or Test for first cycles), cycle support, and PCT, all of the steps are just as important as each other, you need the Test to prevent from getting shutdown early on a long cycle, you need cycle support to protect your body (AI, Liver protection, BP protection, *gyno*), and most importantly you have to have a PCT, without a PCT you shouldn't run the cycle, just in case something unexpected happens (injury, bad reaction, or you just can't stand the sides) to prevent your body completely shutting down and staying shutdown, it can have some serious implications (impotence, low T/hormonal imbalance, BP problems, as well as being bad on your body/mind)

Cycle > Support > PCT