Next Cycle Advice (Cycle 2)

[Ozgain]

I have recently finished my first cycle of test-e and was really pleased with the results. As a first cycle the aim was to get my feet wet and see how I respond.

I'm really keen to start another cycle and I'm working around upcoming beach holidays. So I'm keen to get some advice on what my options are given the need for proper recovery time.

The recent cycle was:

Week 1-10:
Test-e 400mg (split into two pins)
Armidex .25mg EOD
HCG 250iu E3D

Week 10-12
Armidex .25mg EOD
HCG 250iu E3D

PCT Week 13-16
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20

I had 50mg of Clomid ED for the first week but couldn't handle the sides. Was feeling too depressed and anxious so I stopped. Some back acne too which is clearing up since I stopped.

I've just started week 3 of PCT on Nolva only.

I'll get post cycle bloods in another 2-3 weeks to see where I am siting relative to my pre-cycle test. (I didn't get mid cycle bloods)

I'm 6'4", 30yo and roughly 11% BF. Have been training for 6yrs on and off. I started the cycle at 92kg and went up to 103kg at its peak and have now dropped to 98.5kg in my 3rd week of PCT. I didn't bloat much at all so I did lose muscle....

Biggest learning was not to do a cycle when I have too many other things going on. Work and personal items really impacted training and diet, especially in PCT when it counts most. Because of this I have lost some size that I should have kept (my own fault, I'm seriously pissed but I have learned from it).

Question

I have a 1 week beach holiday in 9 weeks and I'm keen to pump up for it. Is there a short cycle I could do just prior to the holiday so I can have adequate recovery but still look great? It seems too soon to start test again but is a lightly suppressive oral only an option? Or would test p be worthwhile?


In addition, around January I plan to do a full 12-14 week cycle of test-e 500mg, kick starting with Dbol and possibly finish up with Var. but based on what and when I can do my next one this may all change.

Really keen for your advice, thanks

 

[Gainjin260]

Hmmm, you've done almost everything right so far and now you wanna get sloppy?

Time on + pct= time off. So, too soon to cycle again.

Oral only cycles are for women. Guys need test with every cycle be it "light" or not.

You're 6'3, 98kg and 11% BF? brother, you've already got a beach body. Next time plan your cycles to coincide with your holidays or whenever you need to look fullest.

You can achieve a lot naturally in 9 weeks. I suggest you do that. Otherwise you'll develop a habit that a lot of guys have and be on cycle 80% of the year. Keep doing it right.

 

[Ozgain]

Thanks, that's good advice and happy to follow that and wait for a few months until my body is ready for the next one. I'll train natural for this trip.

For my cueriousity/education only:

Aside from kicking off a habit of being on for most of the year what are the other issues? You don't recover fully from
the first cycle, get shut down again and then have to PCT from scratch. This causes damage to your HPTA sensitivity?

Would this happen from such a small first cycle?

In terms of recovery, the rule:
time on + PCT = time off

It's a good general guide, but if you had bloods done and your levels are the same as pre-cycle sooner than this, doesn't that indicate that you can sensiblly go again?

 

[Gainjin260]

Thanks, that's good advice and happy to follow that and wait for a few months until my body is ready for the next one. I'll train natural for this trip.

For my cueriousity/education only:

Aside from kicking off a habit of being on for most of the year what are the other issues? You don't recover fully from
the first cycle, get shut down again and then have to PCT from scratch. This causes damage to your HPTA sensitivity?
Each time you shut down your HPTA there is a greater risk you won't fully recover. Why waste that risk on a small cycle? Risk vs reward. Light cycle or heavy cycle, they both shut you down.

Would this happen from such a small first cycle?
It sure could. Who knows. Some people cycle for years and recover each time, some cycle once and are fcked

In terms of recovery, the rule:
time on + PCT = time off

It's a good general guide, but if you had bloods done and your levels are the same as pre-cycle sooner than this, doesn't that indicate that you can sensiblly go again?

You must calculate your own risks. Lets see how your post cycle bloods look.

 

[oldmusclemike]

You must calculate your own risks. Lets see how your post cycle bloods look.

Ah hahahaaa Lol ......dam you Gainjin lol hahahaaa

 

[Onk]

You're 6'3, 98kg and 11% BF? brother, you've already got a beach body.

99% of the time people see abs after they finish their work out and remember this when they see these body comparison pics and go "oh hey, I must be around 10-12% bf"...but they're really close to 20%

 

[bigben66]

99% of the time people see abs after they finish their work out and remember this when they see these body comparison pics and go "oh hey, I must be around 10-12% bf"...but they're really close to 20%

Too true!

I'm 6% bf when I wake up - then return to 12% after breakfast!

Oatmeal water gains