Next Cycle; Tren Enan/Test Cyp/EQ/Anavar

[SprtNVolcoM]

Nothing is set in stone as of yet, but I've been doing a lot of thinking (whether thats bad or good I dont know). I've dropped a lot of ideas I previously had, such as short ester props and such in a 20wk cycle & combinations of injectables. Anyhow, Tren Enan/Test Cyp/EQ/Ana Anavar (var) is the result of my latest thoughts.

Goes something lile this:
wk 1-4 DBL @ 50mg ED (optional)
wk 1-18 EQ @ 600mg awk
wk 1-18 Test Cyp @ 500mg to 750mg awk
wk 1-18 Tren Enan @ 400mg awk
wk 12-20 Anavar (var) @ 40mg to 60mg ED
wk 1-20 Letro @ .625mg ED

wk 1-20 hCG @ 500iu awk (or 250iu EOD)
wk 20-21 hCG @ 500iu ED (for 7 days)

wk 21-25 Clomid @ 100mg wk1, 50mg wk2, wk3, & wk4 (4wks total)
wk 21-25 Nolva @ 40mg wk1, 20mg wk2, wk3, & wk4 (4wks total)

I know most gains slow or stop around 12wks, so My plan is to bulk my ass off during the first 10wks. Then, without a drop in cals, up the cardio and tweak the diet to try to shed some of the gained BF. I usually dont gain BF at all "on" cycle though. Almost always, even with a shitty diet, I lean out. So essentially, more emphasis will be put on leaning out the last 10wks will than trying to cut the gained BF (because Im betting there wont be any). A sort of fine tunning so to speak. Get what I'm saying?

To help the leaning out process I plan to use a couple OTC supps and Clen. Those wont be put to work until post cycle therapy (pct) though, after my hCG (which does absolut wonder for me). This is a whole other topic all together though. I'd like to stay focused on just the cycle design.

So what do you guys think? Can I add/take away anything? Shoudl I change anything? Switch out a compound? Honest opinions please. I'd like to also hear some personal experiences.

Thanks,
Sprt

 

[ManOfMuscle]

stats? cycle history?

 

[SprtNVolcoM]

stats? cycle history?

5'9", 200lbs, 14% to 15% BF -- Handful of cycles.

 

[ManOfMuscle]

theres no way you need 5 compounds to grow

 

[That-Guy]

id bump the tren e to 500 mgs per week drop the eq

id do it like this D-bol 20 - 30 mg frist 4 weeks

test e 600 - 750mgs a week for 16 weeks
tren e 500mg a week for 15 weeks

start post cycle therapy (pct) 3 weeks after last test shot

if you dont grow like a weed on that cycle its time to look at training and diet

 

[khalnayak]

id bump the tren e to 500 mgs per week drop the eq

id do it like this D-bol 20 - 30 mg frist 4 weeks

test e 600 - 750mgs a week for 16 weeks
tren e 500mg a week for 15 weeks

start post cycle therapy (pct) 3 weeks after last test shot

if you dont grow like a weed on that cycle its time to look at training and diet

Solid

 

[SprtNVolcoM]

That-Guy: Its not that I'm worried about growing or not; I'll definitely grow.
Tren instead of EQ though huh? I dont know ... Why not both?

I've run a few test/tren short cycles in the past and wasnt too impressed with the results. I actually dont respond well to tren it seems; with the exception in muscle hardness. Besides that, I dont really see much from its use. I didnt even want to run it this round, but after some thought and talking with some guys I've decided it might help those cuts & vascularity come out. I'll be running Tren Enan this time (USP grade) not the cattle inplants I used in the past. I'm hoping to see better results this.

As for Bold, I love EQ. Its mild sides and slow progressive gains are just what I'm looking for. Im looking forward to the appetite increase during this cycle. Anavar will destroy any appetite I have anyway, & currently that isnt much. I dont see a reason why both cannot be used along side one another.

As for the DBL, it is also better quality ... I might be able to get away with a lower dose. I'll put some thought into that. Only thing thing I've ever used is QV DBL (mexi vet gear). In fact, I've never used any USP grade Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) before. For once, I'll actually have some good quality gear. Maybe that is why I have this urge to run everything.

Either way, I thought my proposed cycle was pretty good. I appreciate your advice thus far. Liek I said nothing is set in stone. So I'll continue to gie it some thought.

Thanks,
Sprt

 

[Perfection Awaits]

age?

 

[coloradosteve]

Hmm, you will see something with dbol. I say use test/tren/dbol. If you can't grow off dbol, then take more dbol, lol. Eq is pretty weak, and if tren/test doesn't do if for you why go with a weaker compound? I would say take the dbol for the first weak, and then decide whether to drop it for something like anavar or Winstrol (winny) when you get sick of the dbol back pump crap or the dbol bloat(or whatever god awful side you get from it).

 

[SprtNVolcoM]

age?

Old enough ...

WTF is it with these off the wall questions? lol, damn. I know I'm a stranger to you folks & I know you need a general idea about me to make better assesments about me personally, but lets stay focused on the initial concerns; which is my cycle ... not me. Nothing I can say regarding my "stat, cycle history, age" is going to help me ... or you, for that matter, in aiding me and giving suggestions about my proposed cycle. You know? I dont want to stray to far from the reason fo this post.

I'm a big boy with moderate experience (6yrs experience) behind me; I've done 6 or 7 cycle in that time (both short and long cycles). Never by the advice of the un-informed. I've always, even as a newbie, looked for help and done my research before cycling. Im 24. I've studied diet and training extensively. Nutrition was my major until I superisingly had a child; point being ... I know a little about deit and how shit works. & I've got a pretty good idea about how my body works; I can read it very well.

You might be asking, "why so many cycles and only 200lbs." My answer, I'm comming back from an injury some years ago which left me almost where I started. Given that I'm only 5'9", however, I actually look a lot bigger than I am; holding a decent build. My BF does fluctuate alot, but that goes with the seasons. I dont compete. I'm just an average joe.

That being said, I'm also not an idiot. Please dont treat me like a newbie. At least recognize that I do have some experience, even if it isnt much. I would appreciate it. & I apologies for the rant.

Now ... given the cycle I initially discribed and the information I've shared, what can we say about the cycle? 20wks recomp?

Hmm, you will see something with dbol. I say use test/tren/dbol. If you can't grow off dbol, then take more dbol, lol. Eq is pretty weak, and if tren/test doesn't do if for you why go with a weaker compound? I would say take the dbol for the first weak, and then decide whether to drop it for something like ana Anavar (var) or Winstrol (winny) when you get sick of the dbol back pump crap or the dbol bloat(or whatever god awful side you get from it).

Again, its not really about growing. I know I'll gain. & As mentioned (I think) during any cycle regardless of diet I've always been able to lean out. It just happens for me that way. I gues I'm fortunate. So I'm going to use this cycle as more of a recomp instead of a cut or bulk.

Now, with that, I'm thinking of throwing the DBL out all together and replacing it with WNY @ 50mg for wks 1-4. I'll use Anavar (var) at the rear. QUESTION: How long do you guys run Anavar (var) ? I've never used it, so this will be a first. I've been reading a lot about it. Its seems mild enough to run 8wks. A buddies blood tests showed huge elevations in his lipid profile though with Anavar (var) @ 40mg at 8wks. I'm sure anything will do this though. Plus, high Cholestrol runs in his family

Lastly, reason I want to run EQ is because I respond well to it. It gives me the apetite I need to gain (I have a naturally decreased apetite). Plus, I think EQ is under rated. Poeple tend to look more towards side to gauge the effectiveness of AAS, they shouldnt. Take Anavar (var) for example. Its works very well and has very low sides. So this is why I liek EQ and want to run it. Also, with tren, I have found that users either respond well to it or dont. A good friend of mine LOVEs the shit. He put on 10lbs or more and dropping a solid 5% BF in his previous cycle of Tren alone; going from a waist size 40 to 34 in 6wks with no cardio. I hear stories like this all the time with tren. If it worked for me like it does my friend, I would run it with test alone.

Thanks,
Sprt

 

[That-Guy]

alot of ppl think tren and EQ contridict each others effects

i ran a gram of eq once with 600mg tren e and test e and i didnt like it as much as just the tren e and test e

 

[SprtNVolcoM]

alot of ppl think tren and EQ contridict each others effects

i ran a gram of eq once with 600mg tren e and test e and i didnt like it as much as just the tren e and test e

I've run a EQ/TREN/WNY 10 wker before and saw pretty decent results in an attempt to lean out. I gained like 4lbs, though, and dropped around 5% BF. My BF was pretty high at that time; comming out of the holiday seasons (I alwasy gain weight during the holidays - my diet sufferes).

Liek i said, nothing is set in stone. I dont plan on running it for a while. I want to try and lean out as much as possible before starting any kind of cycle. Since it is the holiday season again ... I'm going to wait.

 

[Samybull]

Any suggestions or comments
i'm 5'10 220lbs and have done many different cycles but new to Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and T3

Anastrozol .25mg/ed Week 1 - 10
Winstrol 50mg/ed week 1 - 10
Tren E 400mg/week week 1 - 10
Test E 500mg/week week 1 - 10
HCG 500IU/week week 1 -10
T3 50mcg/ed week 3 - 10
Anavar 60mg/ed week 4 - 10 and 20mg/ed week 11
Clen 80mcg week 1,2 - 5,6 - 9,10,11
Nolvadex 30mg/ed week 11,12,13
clomid 100mg/ed week 11 and 50mg/ed week 12,13