Nolvadex question

[Workhorse]

Ok, here's my question.

I've never done a cycle before and my first cycle will most likely be Orbit Test Enanthate.

500mg/wk for 10 weeks. (2 injections a week at 250mg each).

If I do a 10 week cycle, am I supposed to have 72 tabs of Nolva on hand??? Damn that's a lot!!!

I know that if gyno symptoms arise, I'll be taking it until 2 weeks after my last injection and then start the post cycle therapy (pct) with clomid. I'm not supposed to stop the nolva until I start post cycle therapy (pct). But that make it 86 tabs... wow.

Now, I will have enough nolvadex on hand to take one a day for the entire cycle if I wanted to. I know how to dose it if gyno arises, 40mg a day until symptoms go away then 20mg a say for the rest of the cycle. But, if I have enough to take one a day for the entire cycle, would there be any benefit from just taking the tabs and preventing the gyno from occuring in the first place?

Anyone have any thoughts on this? Advice... or experience?

 

[StoneColdNTO]

IMO.....it is best to wait to see if you are going to get any gyno symptoms, that way you'll know if you are sensitive to it from Test alone. That is something that will come in handy to know in future cycles, especially if you are ever going to use Deca or Tren in them.

 

[Workhorse]

I know this is cliche, but the thing is, I don't want to do any other cycles.

I will probably gain 15-20 pounds on this cycle. I'm alread 225, that puts me at between 240-245 roughly. That's how big I want to be.... that's my goal.

So with knowing I probably won't do another cycle, will that change your advice?


And, am I correct in assuming I'll need to have 86 tabs of Nolvadex on hand??

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Are they 10 or 20 mg tabs ??

 

[Workhorse]

20mg tabs I believe

 

[StoneColdNTO]

I would still hold off to see if you get any symptoms first......but either way, you still have enough to run either way, all the way or only after symptoms appear.

But........20 mg/day from the start of your cycle is still NO guarentee that you won't get gyno symptoms, (you could be extremly sensitive to gyno), and in that case you might not have enough tabs to last.

 

[Focker]

I don't want to do any other cycles.

Nobody does just one cycle....

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Nobody does just one cycle....

I know..........I think it's that little demon "Bigorexia" that comes into play !!

 

[far]

Dude, take 20 mg every day during your cycle!
i rather prevent it then wait for it to happen!
What if you get stuck with wearing a nice black bra for the rest of your life?

Some people like to take them when the Gyno starts to form, i rather take Nolvadex 20 mg every day during my cycle.OH and make sure you take a jab Of H.C.G every two to three weeks to kick the natural test level in your body!

Got all this info personally from Mick Hart the author of LAymans guide to steroids.If you wanna borrow the book just holler me.

 

[Workhorse]

I do not plan on taking Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG). Sorry.

Another thing, with only taking such a low dose of test at around 500mg a week, is it true that there is a smaller chance of gyno occuring?

 

[far]

H.C.G......

Dude your balls are gonna shrink some part of the cycle this is because you body has an abudance of Tes,so you Body shuts down thats why the balls take a vacation and shrink.So in order to keep the balls from going to California i advice you to take a Gonad Jab every 3 weeks.This will help kick the natural tes level in you body so that you do not loose all the gain that you've made during the cycle cause it will definietly go away if you ball are not producing test ,How you gonna miantain the muscle rite! although Nolva will help ,nothing beats Gonad jabs.

Gyno depends on your genetics really,Some people can take all the steroids they want ,without taking Nolva,arimidex....etc and never have Gyno. Some just have to smell steroids and the next thing you know there buying a nice lacy Bra at victorias secret
peace

 

[Workhorse]

I was under the impression that by using clomid post cycle (2 weeks after my last injection for test enanthate) that this will kick start my "balls" into functioning again.

Is this not right?

 

[buffdoc]

I don't consider 500 of test a "low dose" for a first cycle.
Sounds like maybe some further research is warranted?

 

[Workhorse]

Anything lower than 400mg, from the research that i've done on this site and others, is basically going to give minimal gains. And, I've seen guys on this site and others taking upwards of 1000mg/wk.

Can anyone answer my clomid question?

 

[StoneColdNTO]

I was under the impression that by using clomid post cycle (2 weeks after my last injection for test enanthate) that this will kick start my "balls" into functioning again.

Is this not right?

Yes that is correct. Some guys have a problem with their boys really shrinking, especially during long cycles or using compounds like Deca that shut you down hard, hence the need for Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG). For a cycle like you have planned you will probably be just fine without it.

 

[Workhorse]

Thanks SC.... I appreciate the answer.

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Anything lower than 400mg, from the research that i've done on this site and others, is basically going to give minimal gains. And, I've seen guys on this site and others taking upwards of 1000mg/wk.

No, buffdoc is right, 500 mg is not a low dose first cycle, lots of bro's got great gains from 250 mg/week. For those that are on a gram/week, they are either much, much more experienced, or don't really know what they are doing.

 

[Workhorse]

Am I better off using a lower dose then??

My stats are:
Age: Almost 24 (one month)
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 223 lbs
BF%: ~13%

Been training for about 6 years off and on, 2-3 seriously.

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Am I better off using a lower dose then??

My stats are:
Age: Almost 24 (one month)
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 223 lbs
BF%: ~13%

Been training for about 6 years off and on, 2-3 seriously.

NO.....for a guy your size, I'd stay with 500 mg/wk

 

[Workhorse]

So should I consider something like arimidex or liquid-dex to run during the entire cycle and just keep the nolva on hand in case of an "emergency"??

What would the dosing be on something like liquid-dex?