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[Nerotik]

Hi all, I apologize in advance if this post is out of place or violates some rule I did not see. However I have a few questions. First off, I am 33 6'1 210lbs, thanks to a life of skateboarding, motocross and just plain stupidity, I have damaged my testicles and have had surgery on them twice (I don't recommend it) Anyway as a result of that I have low test and I currently take Testim gel 1x day at 50mg totaling 350mg a week. I was getting the injections but I seem to be allergic to test and my legs swell severely from the injections and occasionally from the Testim but not usually. I am not sure if this is because of a difference in compounds i.e Cypionate vs some other formulation etc. Anyway back to the point, I am looking to bulk up and get back in shape and have been doing some research. I read an article that suggests a beginners cycle should be: weeks 1-4 Anvar 20mg day, weeks 1-6 Dianabol 20mgs a day, and weeks 5-10 winnstrol 20mgs a day. Now I already have the Test covered, hell I have a prescription for it. However I am a little confused. I have read articles that IM steroids are better than oral, easier on the liver, longer lasting benefits etc. Which is fine by me I have no problem with syringes. What I would like to know from the community here is: 1) oral or IM? 2)Should I follow the cycle I posted above? 3) I have looked around but cannot find Anvar in IM form only oral. I know the forum rules do not allow for posting of supplier sites etc, however it does allow for comparisons, for example brand X is better than brand A therefore a person might look into brand X if they happened to be PM'ed such info. Any and all info you guys can give me would be great, I want my life back cuz I gotta tell ya not having enough hormones in your body to build muscle, have energy, get more than 4 hours sleep, be in a good mood or even want to get laid just sucks. I gotta try something and so here I am. I have been over and over things with my doc the past year or so and she is of the opinion 'Try it, if helps then great. If not then at least you tried". So, I hope to hear from you soon and hope to get some promising and helpful info. I have another 40-60 years or so and I really need my quality of life to be better than it is.
Thanks,
Nero

 

[soldier74]

Hi all, I apologize in advance if this post is out of place or violates some rule I did not see. However I have a few questions. First off, I am 33 6'1 210lbs, thanks to a life of skateboarding, motocross and just plain stupidity, I have damaged my testicles and have had surgery on them twice (I don't recommend it) Anyway as a result of that I have low test and I currently take Testim gel 1x day at 50mg totaling 350mg a week. I was getting the injections but I seem to be allergic to test and my legs swell severely from the injections and occasionally from the Testim but not usually. I am not sure if this is because of a difference in compounds i.e Cypionate vs some other formulation etc. Anyway back to the point, I am looking to bulk up and get back in shape and have been doing some research. I read an article that suggests a beginners cycle should be: weeks 1-4 Anvar 20mg day, weeks 1-6 Dianabol 20mgs a day, and weeks 5-10 winnstrol 20mgs a day. Now I already have the Test covered, hell I have a prescription for it. However I am a little confused. I have read articles that IM steroids are better than oral, easier on the liver, longer lasting benefits etc. Which is fine by me I have no problem with syringes. What I would like to know from the community here is: 1) oral or IM? 2)Should I follow the cycle I posted above? 3) I have looked around but cannot find Anvar in IM form only oral. I know the forum rules do not allow for posting of supplier sites etc, however it does allow for comparisons, for example brand X is better than brand A therefore a person might look into brand X if they happened to be PM'ed such info. Any and all info you guys can give me would be great, I want my life back cuz I gotta tell ya not having enough hormones in your body to build muscle, have energy, get more than 4 hours sleep, be in a good mood or even want to get laid just sucks. I gotta try something and so here I am. I have been over and over things with my doc the past year or so and she is of the opinion 'Try it, if helps then great. If not then at least you tried". So, I hope to hear from you soon and hope to get some promising and helpful info. I have another 40-60 years or so and I really need my quality of life to be better than it is.
Thanks,
Nero

Damn, that made my nuts hurt just hearing about you nuts, damn!! Go IM bro.

 

[mongosmash]

Same here lol ^

 

[Sharmacus]

How does a thread like this get comments and mine doesn't? Beyond belief sometimes. I made a thread about my first cycle, clearly done my research and I still can't get many replies or pieces of advice.

 

[Nerotik]

Yeah I plan to, I just need to know what my cycle should be to start with and which of these product banners to click on.... ahem.

 

[Nerotik]

I have done my research and had a scalpel cut into my testicle lol god that hurt. But there is no substitute for first hand experience and knowledge, articles are great but they can't respond to questions.

 

[Fish44]

Ill look at your thread if i can find it lol

 

[tbonexl]

Best advice is to read the stickys. Oral only cycles are a bad idea...

 

[infection]

How does a thread like this get comments and mine doesn't? Beyond belief sometimes. I made a thread about my first cycle, clearly done my research and I still can't get many replies or pieces of advice.

You want some advice? Hit me up, bro.

 

[kaname]

How does a thread like this get comments and mine doesn't? Beyond belief sometimes. I made a thread about my first cycle, clearly done my research and I still can't get many replies or pieces of advice.

Two post in his thread before you post this? And fancyhuh101 has been helping you in your thread along with bhrees. Posting this comment in this guy's thread is beyond retarded. Even if you didn't get responses which you did, people don't HAVE to respond to you.

 

[SolomonGrundy]

your leg swell might have been simply a post injection pain, or the oil the test is suspended gave you a reaction, did it happen more than once?
very odd you say testim did it too, since thats not applied to the legs, did you apply it there? if not maybe its water retention from estrogen conversion ?

injectables are better but have issues too, for simply getting in shape and muscular its certainly the way to go

Testosterone E might be fore you although its not the test its the oil, maybe a UGL brand will agree with you more
anavar is a good supplimental, 4 to 8 weeks at 50 mg ( two 25 mg pills a day 8 hours apart)

you will need some form of Aromatase inhibitor (AI) drug to combat the estrogen conversion and decide if your going to simply go from a high dose back to the daily meds, which eliminates the need for a PCT recovery

since you cant PM you can click my little Yahoo link to e-mail.

 

[SolomonGrundy]

How does a thread like this get comments and mine doesn't? Beyond belief sometimes. I made a thread about my first cycle, clearly done my research and I still can't get many replies or pieces of advice.

Im sorry did you loose your testicles like this guy did ?

 

[soldier74]

I have done my research and had a scalpel cut into my testicle lol god that hurt. But there is no substitute for first hand experience and knowledge, articles are great but they can't respond to questions.

stop already about the nuts, your killin' me here!

 

[Nerotik]

your leg swell might have been simply a post injection pain, or the oil the test is suspended gave you a reaction, did it happen more than once?
very odd you say testim did it too, since thats not applied to the legs, did you apply it there? if not maybe its water retention from estrogen conversion ?

injectables are better but have issues too, for simply getting in shape and muscular its certainly the way to go

Testosterone E might be fore you although its not the test its the oil, maybe a UGL brand will agree with you more
anavar is a good supplimental, 4 to 8 weeks at 50 mg ( two 25 mg pills a day 8 hours apart)

you will need some form of Aromatase inhibitor (AI) drug to combat the estrogen conversion and decide if your going to simply go from a high dose back to the daily meds, which eliminates the need for a PCT recovery

since you cant PM you can click my little Yahoo link to e-mail.

It happens every time I get an injection of test whether it's 400mg or 50 and I do believe it's water retention, it takes about a week to show up, lasts about a week and a half then gone. And yeah Testim does it especially when I first started, but I kept at it and my body eventually accepted it for the most part. I tried the same thing with the injections for about a year but no dice, swelling every time. Also tried Androderm patches once and same effect but not as severe. What I would like my cycle to be is about 10 weeks, then just drop down to nothing but my daily test until I stabilize then cycle again. I'm not sure which combination of injections I should start with or at what dose and as you mentioned which Aromatase inhibitor (AI) I should try for the Estrogen. I guess just point blank, if you were in my shoes what would you start with as a 10 week cycle then dropping everything but the test? And how long should I wait between cycles? Thanks much, your a big help. Oh and P.S. the Yahoo link won't work for me so I can't hit you up that way either. Oh also, whats a good product for acne/backne? lol it hasn't been this bad since I was like 16, all that Test is just oozing out of my pores I guess lol.

 

[Sharmacus]

You want some advice? Hit me up, bro.

Not sure if serious.

Two post in his thread before you post this? And fancyhuh101 has been helping you in your thread along with bhrees. Posting this comment in this guy's thread is beyond retarded. Even if you didn't get responses which you did, people don't HAVE to respond to you.

Yeah that fancyhuh did help me a little bit. The other guy was more just spurring me on as opposed to actual advice. I got two responses. Pretty sure it's safer and more beneficial to get more than two responses.

Im sorry did you loose your testicles like this guy did ?

Nah I didn't. All good down south.

 

[Nerotik]

OK I guess I will rephrase, if you were going to run an experiment on rats, what would you use for a first time 10 weeks cycle, lets say 350mg test a week, Anavar orally 25mg x2 day 8 hrs apart for 4 weeks, plus what injectables? Winn? How much how often? and what else? Dianabol? How much how often? Then After 10 weeks drop all but the Test for a few weeks until all levels have stabilized. Then would you use the same cycle again or increase or add anything? Oh and what would you recommend for the rats acne? lol

 

[DipKing]

. I read an article that suggests a beginners cycle should be: weeks 1-4 Anvar 20mg day, weeks 1-6 Dianabol 20mgs a day, and weeks 5-10 winnstrol 20mgs a day.
Nero

Don't do that. Listen to the guys here when they say test. They know their stuff.

 

[Nerotik]

Don't do that. Listen to the guys here when they say test. They know their stuff.

Oh no worries I will take Test everyday for the rest of my life. I don't have a choice. I just wanna know what to add to it, how much, how often etc.

 

[Sharmacus]

Oh no worries I will take Test everyday for the rest of my life. I don't have a choice. I just wanna know what to add to it, how much, how often etc.

Don't add anything, you can add stuff at 0MG a day because you shouldn't add anything, and I'd say for zero weeks because again you shouldn't run anything except for testosterone. Do whatever you want though, it's your body.

 

[Nerotik]

Don't add anything, you can add stuff at 0MG a day because you shouldn't add anything, and I'd say for zero weeks because again you shouldn't run anything except for testosterone. Do whatever you want though, it's your body.

I'm confused. If A guy should only be taking Test which I am, why do so many supplement with other compounds if Test does everything needed? And whats best for acne? Proactive or some other product? Maybe just a knife and scrape it off? lol