Placerd on TRT Yesterday

[felonist]

I was placed on TRT last week.

100Mg Test Cyp EW
Age 34
Weight: 184
Ht 6'0
BF% 10-11%
Extremely Active Lifestyle (Gym, strength, crossfit 7 times a week (I sometimes work out 2 times a day )

*I have messed around with PH's and 2 cycles in the past / my lifetime- went through PCT and came out ok......*

3 separate Blood tests to confirm to be placed on TRT
test 1
Estradiols were low (normal)
Total Test 186 on a 175-781 scale ng/dl
Free Test 2.14 (LOW) on a 4.25 - 30.37 pg/ML
test 2
Total test 406.5 on a 348 - 1197 scale ng/dl
Free Test 5.4 (LOW) on a 8.7 - 25.1 pg/ml

test 3
Total test 573 on a 348 - 1197 scale ng/dl
Free Test 8 (LOW) on a 8.7 - 25.1 pg/ml

So basically My Test is low but in "normal range" but free test is bad - thats why I feel like crap and have been for about 4-5 years... Brain fog... lethargic...no libido... lack motivation.... I thought it may have been overtraning a few times but when I cut back or took off a week or 2 it didnt help... it made it worse... at least mentally...

I have been on Proscar / finesteride for 4-5 years now and my endo thinks that was the issue that converts / blocks the DHT so I don't have normal FREE TEST....

I am happy to be on TRT.... and doing it safely with a doc and monitoring all my bloodwork....

a few questions:

1) I took my first shot last week and I have another one tomorrw... I feel like total shit today... like catatonic... brain fog... is this normal... I hardly can function....how long will this last.... I feel like it's too early to have this shitty feeling after only 1 shot...
2) can I expect 100MG a week to bring me to a higher tier of normal... what is normal anymore... I forgot what it feels like to be energetic and outgoing and want to go out etc... especially without living on coffee?
3) Will I make better gains and become a better athlete at 100MG / Week and have better body composition? i am happy how I look now - but I am curious
4) I have bloodwork and a revisit in 6 weeks - its actually the day I am supposed to inject.. should I inject before or after my bloodwork? or should I judge how I feel in 4-5 weeks to make this decision?

For me i am on TRT because I want to feel good at this point... I am happy with my body composition and my athletice performance.. I am married 4 kids... everything is good to go... I just feel like shit... it took me a while to demand my doc to take my bloodwork with full test which confirmed what I suspected my test was low... no one believed me because of how I look and my decent strength... maybe I fucked myself up in the past when I did a cycle.... but I feel like it was probably the Propecia / Proscar,.... now I can't get off cuz my hair will fall out and according to my Endo - I have been shut down on Proscar for so long that the Free test may not go up on its own - and im risking losing all my hair to find out.....


Im still pretty excited... I am a believer in healthy living making sure your body is in the right balances... I eat Paleo style living... gluten free... no artificials... no corn syrup shit etc....

 

[Megatron28]

Given the length of this post it seemed like it deserves its own thread rather than being buried in the Ask Anything thread. So I have moved it.

 

[felonist]

Given the length of this post it seemed like it deserves its own thread rather than being buried in the Ask Anything thread. So I have moved it.

Much appreciated. Hopefully can get some answers. Going to take my second dose tomrw morning. Hope I feel better in a week or 2.

FYI I was surprised to learn that my endo has had a number of cases where Proscar has lowered people's Free test. She said the statistic they give you about people with negative sides from finesteride are downplayed significantly.

 

[Megatron28]

What was your LH and FSH at?

100mg/week will probably get you to around 400-600ng/dl. So maybe back to where you were before when you were natty. I really am surprised a doctor would out you on TRT with a TT of 573. That is a good number.

What is your TSH at?

Have you had a sleep study?

There are a lot of things that can cause your symptoms. Given that you do not have hypogonadism, it is likely something else causing your symptoms. If it were me, I would not take your next injection. You should explore other possible causes of your symptoms.

 

[Megatron28]

Get off the finisteride. That stuff is terrible for you.

 

[felonist]

What was your LH and FSH at?

100mg/week will probably get you to around 400-600ng/dl. So maybe back to where you were before when you were natty. I really am surprised a doctor would out you on TRT with a TT of 573. That is a good number.

What is your TSH at?

Have you had a sleep study?

There are a lot of things that can cause your symptoms. Given that you do not have hypogonadism, it is likely something else causing your symptoms. If it were me, I would not take your next injection. You should explore other possible causes of your symptoms.

Ummm, lets see here if this makes sense: on my last test

DHEA Sulfate 308.4 10-619 UG/DL
Estradiol Non-Preg, Serum <10
Follicular 21-251
Mid Cycle 38 - 649
Luteal 21 - 312
Post meno 0-28
PM on HRT 0 - 144
Males 11-44
Prolactin 10.80 3.4-19.4 NG/ML
SHBG 51.6 17.1-77.6 NMOL/L
Testosterone Total, Serum 186.89 175 - 781 ng/dl
Free Test 2.14 (L) 4.25 - 30.37 PG/ML

So I asked her that exact question... how can my Test be "normal" (low end of normal or course) but Free Test so low... she sais its gotta be from the finesteride.


Cant get off the Finesteride... I will lose all my hair.... guaranteed... I am not ready for that... and like she said chances are ive been on it too long -it wont get better...

Not blindly trying to justify my TRT but I have been feeling like "shit" typical low test symptoms for about 3-4 years now...

 

[Megatron28]

I thought your last blood workup put your TT at 573.

It is just hair. Hair or good health? Seems like an easy choice to me.

You must have checked your LHand FSH prior to starting TRT. Can you find those results?

 

[Mprtz]

Your SHBG is pretty high, that probably accounts for the low free T.

 

[3J]

i dont see justification for trt here.. his T levels were wnl..

he could have done things to bring his free test up

 

[Alpin]

You were on Finasteride and had TT 186-573 ?
I would think it is playing a big hand in your low free T.
Did you check your Bio Avail T ?
A lot of docs use TT and Bio avail.T to diagnose low T along with symptoms.
did you even run a sleep study?

 

[felonist]

I thought your last blood workup put your TT at 573.

It is just hair. Hair or good health? Seems like an easy choice to me.

You must have checked your LHand FSH prior to starting TRT. Can you find those results?

3 seperate tests and 1 was a diff lab... thats why the numbers are diff I guess for the ranges? example - 186.89 on a scale of 175 - 781 ng/dl 573 on a 348 - 1197 scale ng/dl (how the hell do these scales and ranges work anyway??)

I'll try and take a pic of my 3 blood tests... blackout the private info and get it up I couldnt find LH and FSH maybe I dunno what im lookin for

Your SHBG is pretty high, that probably accounts for the low free T.

High... but in range of "normal" no "L" or "H" next to it.

i dont see justification for trt here.. his T levels were wnl..

he could have done things to bring his free test up

any examples - I here a lot of comments on sleep....ive also read some studies on this.... you think its a sleep epinea thing? i have never had a sleeping disorder....I get 6-8 hours of sleep sometimes more.... always more when I "can"... 4 kids and a wife and a life... its hard to get to sleep early...

You were on Finasteride and had TT 186-573 ?
I would think it is playing a big hand in your low free T.
Did you check your Bio Avail T ?
A lot of docs use TT and Bio avail.T to diagnose low T along with symptoms.
did you even run a sleep study?

I never ran a sleep study... anyone here with experience getting Free Test up based on correction sin sleep?

Yes so the point is my total test is within range but no free test... all / a decent amount the DHT are being blocked from Propecia.... no free Test... and its a catch 22 now... if she raises my test too much it will negate the effects of the propecia and will have hair loss....

Hair or Health.... great point megatron.... all my bloodwork came in pretty good besides the Test.. and my Creatinine level was on high range of normal - but were working on lowering that....

I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE RESPONSES AND THE INSIGHT....

 

[3J]

do you snore???

 

[felonist]

do you snore???

NEGATIVE.

Married for 14 years.. when I snore my wife tells me or wakes up shes a light sleeper... so I hardly ever snore.....

 

[3J]

NEGATIVE.

Married for 14 years.. when I snore my wife tells me or wakes up shes a light sleeper... so I hardly ever snore.....

its usually unlikely if you dont snore.. unless you have a defect that dosn't have you snore but gives you bouts of inability to breath..