Please help out with my first Test Cycle

SaintAlexander

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Ive taken PHs before this is my first planned out cycle.

The goal is too keep the hormones stable..

Any suggestions

I know it's a little high on the test for a first cycle

But I just want to dive in, instead of getting my feet wet




Test E:
Weeks 1-10:500mg (250mg x2 a week)

Test P:
Week 1: 100mg EOD
Week 2: 75mg EOD
Week 3: 50mg EOD
Week 4-9: 25mg EOD
Week 10: 50mg EOD
Week 11: 75mg EOD
Week 12: 100mg EOD

HcG:
Weeks 8-9:500 iu
Weeks 10-12: 500iu x2
1000iu before pct

Letro:
Weeks 2-13: .625mg EoD

Tamoxifen & Exemestane for PCT
 
Why run both Test E and P?

Why start hCG so late? It should be run from the beginning.

Don't use letro. Use Arimidex or Aromasin. Too easy to crash your estrogen with Letro

AI should not be used during PCT. Use Clomid and Nolva.

You need to do a lot more homework. This is a very poorly constructed cycle.

What is your age, height weight and body fat %? Years training?
 
Why run both Test E and P?

I read that front loading test p keeps your test stable and using it at the end also does the same....

Why start hCG so late? It should be run from the beginning.

I've also read that using hcg for too long of a period can desensitize it's mechanism... So I wanted to keep it short.... Should I run it after week 4?

Don't use letro. Use Arimidex or Aromasin. Too easy to crash your estrogen with Letro

I've used letro and your right... It's a cheaper alternative... Which do you suggest that's better in your experience?

AI should not be used during PCT. Use Clomid and Nolva.

I wanted to use it because I read this

"Exemestane (Aromasin) is a Type 1 inhibitor and so therefore is a steroidal inhibitor or suicidal aromatase inhibitor. It’s called this because it lowers estrogen production in the body by attaching to the aromatase enzyme, and permanently deactivating it, and being a steroidal type 1 inhibitor it has androgenic effects. It is especially good as a test boosting AI as it prevents SHBG releasing more free test and as it averages an 85% rate of estrogen suppression which translates to an overall reduction in estradiol levels of about 50%, as well as raising testosterone to a significant degree it makes it quite exciting. Because its a type 1 inhibitor it offers other promising aspects, once it deactivates the aromatase enzyme those particular enzymes will no longer function, even if your body produces more aromatize, it cant do anything because it cant bind. In this case, the advantage of using a suicidal aromatize inhibitor is that it really won’t cause much, if any, noticeable “rebound” in estrogen when you cease using it, so no rebound gyno which is quite possible with Anastrozole and letrozole. Also as well as reducing water retention, having no negative impact on good cholesterol, no chance of rebound gyno, its androgenic effects make it great to use in pct, as a pre workout boost, 25mg taken and hour or so before training always does its job for me, and helps keep strength up during PCT with is mild androgenic effect. Talking of PCT it is also the only AI that should be used with Nolva, it doesnt interfere with the actions of nolvadex, nolva will reduce about 60 percent of the effect of both letro and arimadex.. so it seems pointless, thought they are great on cycle for reducing estrogen, once into PCT its a different story and Aromasin is king. Remember we said above it permanently deactivates the aromatize enzyme.. well it means it doesnt need to be taken everyday.. and it will still increase IGF levels substantially, which normally plummet in pct, and still prevent any estrogen and water retention…. this permanent effect on the Aromatize enzyme maybe the reason why nolva doesn’t interfere with it."

You need to do a lot more homework. This is a very poorly constructed cycle.

Can you be more specific as to what's poorly constructed besides the hcg and the ai in pct


What is your age, height weight and body fat %? Years training?

I'm 25 200lb about 10%bf and have 7 years training.
 
Besides the hCG AI in PCT?

1) The way you are using the esters. That may "look good on paper", but it doesn't work well in reality. Managing multiple esters like that and front loading is too complicated. It is going to cause way more problems than it will in theory solve. Just run Test E and keep it simple. This is your first cycle. Simple is good.

2) PCT should be Clomid and Nolva. Not just Nolva.

3) An AI is not used in PCT becuase your Test levels are normal again. Therefore high estradiol will not be an issue. Using an AI when your TT is normal could cause issues.

4) Run hCG and 250iu twice a week. From Day 1 until 3 days before PCT starts. Running it like this for a 12 week cycle will not desensitize the Leydig Cells.

What is your plan for pre, mid and post cycle blood work? Which labs for example and from where?

For an AI, I recommend Arimidex or Aromasin. They both work great. Go with the cheaper and more easily obtained one.

How tall are you?
 
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Op, whatever you posted about Aromasin, letro and adex sounds like a bunch of broscience bullshit. You do what you want but plenty have stuck to nolva and clomid for pct. I suggest you study the faqs link and base your first cycle off of that. It works. 100s if not 1000s of guys will vouch for that. Sounds like one idiot is telling you differently. If you decide to take the road never travelled, post up your misfortunes in a few months so other noobs know not to try that one...
 
Looks like you have a lot of the same issues still.

Op, whatever you posted about Aromasin, letro and adex sounds like a bunch of broscience bullshit. You do what you want but plenty have stuck to nolva and clomid for pct. I suggest you study the faqs link and base your first cycle off of that. It works. 100s if not 1000s of guys will vouch for that. Sounds like one idiot is telling you differently. If you decide to take the road never travelled, post up your misfortunes in a few months so other noobs know not to try that one...

I dropped the aromasin, I am gyno prone.. so I put letro for the last two weeks...

Im just running nolva and clomid for pct.

I've studied different faqs from different sites and I wouldn't post and ask if I got different information. I got a good deal for 2 bottles of 250mg of Test E and 2 bottles of Test P... so i'm trying to make the best of it.
 
I dropped the aromasin, I am gyno prone.. so I put letro for the last two weeks...

Im just running nolva and clomid for pct.

I've studied different faqs from different sites and I wouldn't post and ask if I got different information. I got a good deal for 2 bottles of 250mg of Test E and 2 bottles of Test P... so i'm trying to make the best of it.

Why didn't you say you got a good deal? That counteracts all the facets of a bad cycle.
 
Why didn't you say you got a good deal? That counteracts all the facets of a bad cycle.

I traded in the Test E & Prop

& Dedcided to get DP Test 350 Sus

Weeks 1-4 175mg EOD Adex .25mg ED
Weeks 5-8 245mg EOD Adex .5mg ED
Weeks 9-12 315mg EOD Adex .75mg ED
Week 13 Adex .5mg ED
Week 14 Adex .25mg ED

With HcG 250mg x 2 a week

500mg x2 a week before PCT

Nolva 40/20/20/10/10
Clomid 100/75/50/25/25
 
Why ramp up the test that? Just let the esters do the work for you. Pick a dose and run it

When are you starting PCT?

Blood work plan?

When will you be running hCG?

And most importantly... you want to run 1.1 grams per week on your first cycle? Are you crazy?
 
Why ramp up the test that? Just let the esters do the work for you. Pick a dose and run it

When are you starting PCT?

Blood work plan?

When will you be running hCG?

And most importantly... you want to run 1.1 grams per week on your first cycle? Are you crazy?

Lol! I appreciate your concern and I'm thankful... yeah I'll do those doses maybe on my third cycle....

I hope this layout is better.

Test Sustanon:
Weeks 1-12: 175mg EOD

Arimidex:
Weeks 1-6: .25mg ED
Weeks 7-13: .5mg ED (If needed, if not sticking to .25)
Week 14: .25mg ED

HcG:
Weeks 2-10: 250iu Mondays & Thursdays
Weeks 11-13: 500iu Mondays & Thursdays
Week 14: 1000iu Monday & Thursday

PCT @ Weeks 15
Nolva 40/20/20/20/10
Clomid 100/75/50/50/25

..... I just want amazing gains.... Like the first time I ran Halodrol.. Gained about 20 lbs of lean muscles and kept it after PCT
 
Lol! I appreciate your concern and I'm thankful... yeah I'll do those doses maybe on my third cycle....

I hope this layout is better.

Test Sustanon:
Weeks 1-12: 175mg EOD

Arimidex:
Weeks 1-6: .25mg ED
Weeks 7-13: .5mg ED (If needed, if not sticking to .25)
Week 14: .25mg ED

HcG:
Weeks 2-10: 250iu Mondays & Thursdays
Weeks 11-13: 500iu Mondays & Thursdays
Week 14: 1000iu Monday & Thursday

PCT @ Weeks 15
Nolva 40/20/20/20/10
Clomid 100/75/50/50/25

..... I just want amazing gains.... Like the first time I ran Halodrol.. Gained about 20 lbs of lean muscles and kept it after PCT

You are starting PCT too soon. Sust has very long esters in it that take a long time to clear. Waiting 3-4 weeks would be better. I would recommend using Test C or E if possible.

No need to ramp hCG up since you are starting it Day 1. Just run it at 250iu twice a week up until 3 days before PCT.

You forgot to list what blood work you will be running and when.
 
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