Post AAS Problems? (Years Later)

[diesel_3]

Hey guys and gals,
I am new around here and still in the early stages of research for my possible journey into cycling AAS. One question I have isn't exactly a make or break deal for me, but I would still obviously like to know because it will play a bigger part in my final decision to do steroids.

I have been reading the stickies and retaining a lot of good information regarding stacks, injection methods, how to help control sides, etc.

My question is (And it may have been asked before but I have done some searches and it sort of touches on the subject but not my exact question per se)

Say I ran 3 cycles over the course of 3 years. I am looking at doing a Tren/Test/Mast cycle, and let's say I did that 3 times over 3 years and was happy with my results or decided to stop running gear completely. I had ran a successful post cycle therapy (pct) and everything was going well with no sides. Is it possible for, a few years AFTER my last injection to have my natural test levels completely ruined from doing those 3 cycles? Would that be something to worry about? Basically what i'm asking is, is this sort of like getting into the mafia or a gang...Once you're in you're in? Would I have to run test for the rest of my life because just running a few cycles could/would mess with my natural testosterone levels?

I know it's probably total noob question, but that's what I am and I want to learn because this is important to me.

Thanks for taking the time to answer if you choose to do so.

Cheers,

Diesel

 

[Austinite]

How old were you when you ran these cycles and how old are you now?

 

[diesel_3]

How old were you when you ran these cycles and how old are you now?

Sorry, I should have been more clear. That scenario was theoretical. I'll be 28 when/if I choose to run a cycle and I have been researching everything I can..I am quite familiar with the sides that can happen during or just after, but I was wondering about in the future, like 3-5 years after your last injection if your normal test levels could be totally ruined by only running a few cycles and if I would expect to have to run test for the rest of my life.

 

[Austinite]

Yes, you can develop problems. I cycled young and stopped cycling at age 22. At age 25 I developed erectile dysfunction and produced little to no natural test. I'm 36 now and on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and Cialis for the rest of my life.

 

[diesel_3]

Yes, you can develop problems. I cycled young and stopped cycling at age 22. At age 25 I developed erectile dysfunction and produced little to no natural test. I'm 36 now and on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and Cialis for the rest of my life.

Do you feel that's a result of cycling at such a young age?
I guess I am just hoping my cycles would go well then I could do 1 a year for a very long time but I wouldn't want to be 'stuck' (no pun intended) with having to take test later on in life if I do irreversible damage.

 

[Austinite]

It's 100 % due to cycling early. No question about it. You'll end up on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) regardless. As you age your levels will drop. I just wish I could have waited till I was 50 or so before starting testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). But I'm glad testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) exists.

 

[Metalhead]

Its a risk either way you look at it. Thats why we, on here, try to tell younger people who get on here wanting to jump on gear no. Among other reasons of course, but overall theres always a chance your body wont produce like it did before, especially after a pretty heavy cycle like you mentioned

 

[diesel_3]

It's 100 % due to cycling early. No question about it. You'll end up on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) regardless. As you age your levels will drop. I just wish I could have waited till I was 50 or so before starting testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). But I'm glad testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) exists.

Ahhh, Ok.
Since i'm still fairly young when it comes to using AAS. Maybe I should wait until i'm a little bit older?
I don't even want to get as big as I could possibly get, it was more to reduce BF% and gain a little bit of muscle.

Its a risk either way you look at it. Thats why we, on here, try to tell younger people who get on here wanting to jump on gear no. Among other reasons of course, but overall theres always a chance your body wont produce like it did before, especially after a pretty heavy cycle like you mentioned

Ok, Is it still considered a heavy cycle even if it was only once a year? Assuming yes because of the compounds involved.

Definitely a lot to think about. Thanks for the answers.

 

[Austinite]

Well said, Metalhead.

 

[Austinite]

Ahhh, Ok.
Since i'm still fairly young when it comes to using AAS. Maybe I should wait until i'm a little bit older?
I don't even want to get as big as I could possibly get, it was more to reduce BF% and gain a little bit of muscle.



Ok, Is it still considered a heavy cycle even if it was only once a year? Assuming yes because of the compounds involved.

Definitely a lot to think about. Thanks for the answers.

The farther away from the teens in better. I don't recommend that anyone under 25 cycle. They're generally not fully developed in several ways that could hinder progress and/or future growth. An X-Ray to check for an epiphyseal line or plate would indicate full development, but you also have to worry about your HPTA as you could also damage your endocrine system, like I did. It's Not fun, especially when it hits you and you realize that you need help. A lot of people don't seek help and end up on SSRI's and that just ruins people after a while.

 

[Austinite]

Sorry to post this here... couldnt find a "help" forum, is it just me or does this site load every page incredibly slow?

 

[Metalhead]

Sorry to post this here... couldnt find a "help" forum, is it just me or does this site load every page incredibly slow?

It was doing that for a few hours but apparently its fixed. Doesnt happen too often

 

[Rida5d]

Two more issues i want to add ..
Everyone starts with I ll do one, two cycles and quit , but this really never happens..
Even ur question was a theroitcal question as u describe it , u never start with test tren ,
U take it slowly and easy, from a test only cycle to adding more compounds each cycle u do..
That being said, I don't think that test tren mast, is a second cycle, it can be hardly a 3rd one, if not a 4th.

 

[diesel_3]

Two more issues i want to add ..
Everyone starts with I ll do one, two cycles and quit , but this really never happens..
Even ur question was a theroitcal question as u describe it , u never start with test tren ,
U take it slowly and easy, from a test only cycle to adding more compounds each cycle u do..
That being said, I don't think that test tren mast, isnt a second cycle, it can be hardly a 3rd one, if not a 4th.

Thanks for the info, Rida5d
I had wondered about that because it was recommended to me by somebody who competes and who would probably need a heavier cycle than for what I wanted my goals to be.

 

[J_Fox23]

Yes, you can develop problems. I cycled young and stopped cycling at age 22. At age 25 I developed erectile dysfunction and produced little to no natural test. I'm 36 now and on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and Cialis for the rest of my life.

What were your cycles and did you do a correct pct?

 

[wwhat]

simple cycle (like test e) will still cause problems in the future? (cycle done at 24 years old)

 

[Austinite]

What were your cycles and did you do a correct post cycle therapy (pct)?

I have a hard time remembering, we're talking almost 20 years ago. But back then we were hitting test, deca and dbol mostly. We didn't have a set time like "8 week cycle" or "12 week cycle", it wasn't uncommon back then to run test for 6 months and dbol for 2 months. I ran hCG on cycle and tamox for post cycle therapy (pct), although for a lot of people back then, post cycle therapy (pct) consisted of tapering off the drugs.

I've been through quite a few endocrinologists before I found the perfect one. According to her, no matter what you do to protect yourself, there's always a chance to damage your endocrine system, especially if you're not fully developed. Her reference range was 24 to 26 years old, but that is not set in stone.

 

[J_Fox23]

I have a hard time remembering, we're talking almost 20 years ago. But back then we were hitting test, deca and dbol mostly. We didn't have a set time like "8 week cycle" or "12 week cycle", it wasn't uncommon back then to run test for 6 months and dbol for 2 months. I ran hCG on cycle and tamox for post cycle therapy (pct), although for a lot of people back then, post cycle therapy (pct) consisted of tapering off the drugs.

I've been through quite a few endocrinologists before I found the perfect one. According to her, no matter what you do to protect yourself, there's always a chance to damage your endocrine system, especially if you're not fully developed. Her reference range was 24 to 26 years old, but that is not set in stone.

That's what I figured. I'm not saying you are wrong in anyway, I agree with you. If he was to do a test e cycle when he is ready and did a proper post cycle therapy (pct) and took all the precautions the chances are a lot smaller of him having to be on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) after a few cycles. I do agree though that once you do a cycle your test levels never will be the same and eventually if you want to keep lifting as you age you will need trt.

 

[diesel_3]

That's what I figured. I'm not saying you are wrong in anyway, I agree with you. If he was to do a test e cycle when he is ready and did a proper post cycle therapy (pct) and took all the precautions the chances are a lot smaller of him having to be on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) after a few cycles. I do agree though that once you do a cycle your test levels never will be the same and eventually if you want to keep lifting as you age you will need trt.

That's still what i'm mostly researching now, too. I want to make sure my post cycle therapy (pct) is in check and if I could still get some great results doing test-e and then maybe a test/var cycle then I would definitely go that route.

 

[Austinite]

That's what I figured. I'm not saying you are wrong in anyway, I agree with you. If he was to do a test e cycle when he is ready and did a proper post cycle therapy (pct) and took all the precautions the chances are a lot smaller of him having to be on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) after a few cycles. I do agree though that once you do a cycle your test levels never will be the same and eventually if you want to keep lifting as you age you will need trt.

Yeah. Anyone cycling safely can recover, but there is always that risk, no matter what you do. Heck, who knows what will happen in another 15 to 20 years, we might just realize we're doing everything wrong all over again. Or maybe something much better will come along. But the problem is most people gauge their recovery by their penile function. It's not a coincidence that most extreme bodybuilders are short.