Prepping for 1st Cycle with Sustanon 250, Please help.

[liftingwhey8]

I have been lurking on here for a while trying to gather as much info as possible before i start my 1st cycle.

My Backround:
30 y/o Male
6'2"
215 lbs
14% BF
Lifting off and on for the past 7 years or so

I had been out of the gym for about 2 years, and recently got back into it about 6 months ago. Before I began training, I got a hydrostatic body composition test. The results were: 204lbs and 17% bf. In 6 months i went to the stats listed above ( 215 lbs and 14% bf) all natural.

Now that I feel my diet and routine are on the right track I am prepping to my first cycle ever. It is something that I have been wanting to do for a while. So here is what I have planned.

Gear:
Sustanon 250: Mon/Thurs Injections of 1 ml so 500mg Sustanon (sust) per week
Arimidex: 1mg EOD (please note that these are 1mg capsules, as this os all I have acces to)

PCT:
I need help with the dosing here, been hearing a lot of different theories and broscience on the best way to run it, but I currently have:

HCG 10,000 iu
Clomid
Nolvadex

Input here is appreciated

I just got back from the lab and should have blood work results back in 24-72 hours. I wanted to get a baseline and determine where hormone levels and lipid profiles are prior to starting my first cycle.

Can someone tell me what my test and E2 Levels should be before , during, and post cycle?

Also, if I wanted to increase the amount of Sustanon (sust) I run per week, would it be ok to do 1cc Mon and 1.5cc on thursday? Or would this throw off my blood levels too much?

Nutrition:
I basically just try to eat every 3 hours or so, make sure I get at least 3000 calories a day. 220g protein min, fast digesting carbs first thing in the morning, right after a workout, and slower digesting carbs the rest of the day. Usually about 3 whole meals and about 3-4 meal replacment shakes per day.

Flax/Fish oil
Multi vitamin
Pre workout
Protein shakes
etc

Routine:
Basically consists of a 4 day per week split

Chest/tris
Back /bis
Legs
Shoulders/traps

usually do 4 -5 sets of 6-12 depending on weight

I know Im a little vague on the nutrition and Routine, but just trying to focues more on the gear portion as the rest I feel can be best suited for a separate thread.

Please let me know any advice /input you have!

I will post back with my blood work results when I get them back from the lab.

Thanks!!

Bllod Work Results are IN, PLease see Page 2. Low T.

 

[Joseph Goebbels]

Being away from the gym for 2 years, i would wait another 6 months before diving into AAS. Personally i don't think you have a solid foundation yet, but another 6 months and you'll be right where you ought to be imho. Others may disagree.

And if you can choose one ester, then do it. Blends are not my first choice as the esters are a combination of short and long, so a more frequent inject protocol is recommended.

PCT = Clomid 100/50/50/50 Nolva 40/20/20/20.

hCG = Add 2ml Bac Water to 5000iu of lyophilized hCG and that will give you 250iu of reconstituted hCG at .10 on the slin pin. Run it every 3.5 days @ 250iu per injection.

 

[Austinite]

Hello.

1. You're not taking advantage of the short ester in Sustanon (sust) unless you pin daily or EOD.
2. Open your capsules up and split the powder. 1mg at a time is outrageous. Adex works instantly.
3. Run your hCG on cycle @ 250iu twice weekly.
4. post cycle therapy (pct) with Clomid @ 75/50/50/50 and Nolva @ 40/20/20/20.
5. Calories are not relevant if you don't know what your daily expenditure is, kind of a guessing game and could end up being a waste of time.
6. I'd put a rest day after Chest/Tri day.
7. Multi vitamin is not worth it.
8. You need more time to train naturally.

Good luck.

 

[DreDay187]

Hello.

1. You're not taking advantage of the short ester in Sustanon (sust) unless you pin daily or EOD.
2. Open your capsules up and split the powder. 1mg at a time is outrageous. Adex works instantly.
3. Run your hCG on cycle @ 250iu twice weekly.
4. post cycle therapy (pct) with Clomid @ 75/50/50/50 and Nolva @ 40/20/20/20.
5. Calories are not relevant if you don't know what your daily expenditure is, kind of a guessing game and could end up being a waste of time.
6. I'd put a rest day after Chest/Tri day.
7. Multi vitamin is not worth it.
8. You need more time to train naturally.

Good luck.

^^^ I guess that's a pretty good place to end the thread lol

OP, do not do 1mg of Adex in a single dose as Austinite mentioned, it will crush your estrogen levels as it starts to work within an hour or less and has a pretty long half life. If they're tabs, split the, in halves or quarters and do EOD or e3d and if they're capsules pop them open and split the dosage as best you can (would be more accurate if you had a small scale).

You should def think about training a bit longer before jumping into a cycle as your tendons and ligaments will have to play catch up to your muscles and the weights you'll be lifting. Tendon/ligament damage is common among AAS users since muscle/strength will increase at a much higher rate than connective tissue.

Austinite nailed the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) dosing for you. Def don't do 1ml on one day and 1.5ml the next pin day. It will spike your blood levels which you want to try and keep stable as possible to avoid estrogen sides and other problems. EOD dosing would be preferable.

Last thing is no one can tell you what your numbers should be exactly since your hormonal profile, affinity to aromatization, onset of side effects etc is different from everyone else's. when you post up your lab work, we can give you a clearer picture of possible issues to watch out for but basically you want pre-cycle bloodwork to check for possible issues before hand and to have baseline numbers to gauge how effective your post cycle therapy (pct) was and if you're back to producing endogenous testosterone.

 

[liftingwhey8]

I have heard conflicting opinions on the frequency which Sustanon (sust) should be pinned.

So, pin more frequently than 2x per week

Split the adex capsules in half to run .5mg EOD

Run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) every 4 days or so @ 250 iu

Is it necessary? or ok to wait until post cycle to start HCG

and keep it natural for another 6 monthes before I start?

 

[Austinite]

I have heard conflicting opinions on the frequency which Sustanon (sust) should be pinned.

So, pin more frequently than 2x per week

Split the adex capsules in half to run .5mg EOD

Run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) every 4 days or so @ 250 iu

Is it necessary? or ok to wait until post cycle to start HCG

and keep it natural for another 6 monthes before I start?

You have to understand esters in order to make a more informed decision on your injection frequency. Sustanon (sust) contains prop, a very short ester that will clear in 2 days or so. To take advantage of that ester, you'd have to inject more frequently.

.5 every 3rd day is better.

Run hCG twice a week. Mon/Thurs for example.

It's absolutely necessary to prevent testicular atrophy, maintain function and speed up and better your chances of recovery.

the longer you can spend at the gym prior to cycling the better. Training for such a short time and jumping into a cycle is one of the main causes of injury. Strength is often underestimated and weaker tendons/ligaments often fail.

 

[surfdog]

you'll be fine running sus twice a week, but like stated above for the most stable blood levels taking sus it is best to pin eod, so like .6cc should give an average of 500 a week

 

[liftingwhey8]

Would M/W/F be decent for pinning Sust?

 

[DreDay187]

Do not run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during post cycle therapy (pct)!! Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is suppressive and will not allow your post cycle therapy (pct) to bring your natural testosterone production back to life. You can run it from beginning of cycle to 4 days before post cycle therapy (pct) starts, you can start the 2nd week or 3rd wk, etc. but make sure to stop Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) before post cycle therapy (pct) starts.

 

[liftingwhey8]

Do not run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during post cycle therapy (pct)!! Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is suppressive and will not allow your post cycle therapy (pct) to bring your natural testosterone production back to life. You can run it from beginning of cycle to 4 days before post cycle therapy (pct) starts, you can start the 2nd week or 3rd wk, etc. but make sure to stop Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) before post cycle therapy (pct) starts.

Thanks Docd,

I was planning on running Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 21 days after last injection, but prior to starting post cycle therapy (pct), but it sounds like Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is best run during the cycle.

 

[surfdog]

personally I run sus the same as test e or c, I don't get much for sides from the little bit of fluctuating levels. if your going to pin more then twice a week I would just keep to eod schedule not Mon Wed Fri, also sus has more kick to it so I would see how you handle it, you might only want to pin it twice

 

[liftingwhey8]

Thanks for the responses.

From what Im getting here:

Sust should be EOD, but twice a week will still yield good results?

.5mg Adex EOD is a good place to start

Better to take Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 2x /week during cycle, rather than wait till end of cycle/before PCT

PCT with clomid @ 75/50/50/50 and Nolva @ 40/20/20/20.
This refers to daily dosage over a 4 week period, correct?

and I should wait another 6 months or so to build ligmant/tendon/joint strength before starting my cycle.

 

[DreDay187]

Thanks for the responses.

From what Im getting here:

Sust should be EOD, but twice a week will still yield good results?

.5mg Adex EOD is a good place to start

Better to take Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 2x /week during cycle, rather than wait till end of cycle/before PCT

PCT with clomid @ 75/50/50/50 and Nolva @ 40/20/20/20.
This refers to daily dosage over a 4 week period, correct?

and I should wait another 6 months or so to build ligmant/tendon/joint strength before starting my cycle.

Yes to everything except maybe try Adex at .25mg/EOD or .5mg e3d.

 

[liftingwhey8]

Yes to everything except maybe try Adex at .25mg/EOD or .5mg e3d.

Thanks. Will post back blood work results when I get them in the next day or two.

 

[Rumpy]

The only two things I would add, or ask really, unless I just missed it, is how long do you plan to run the test? Do you already have the Sustanon (sust), if not I would recommend a single ester, either C or E just to make the pinning schedule a little easier.

 

[liftingwhey8]

Still have mixed feelings about pinning EOD, too. Kind of leaning towards Mon/Thursday but we'll see how this goes.

 

[liftingwhey8]

I already have the Sustanon (sust). That is what is available for me. Maybe I will go with Test E or C next time.

I plan on running the Sustanon (sust). For 12-14 weeks.

 

[Rumpy]

Should be a good run. Everything here is good advice. I'm guessing when you say 12-14 weeks, you're going to go until you run out. One thing to keep in mind is you will loose a bit of oil every time you pin, plan on 0.1ml each time. You loose it to the needle volume and when you get the air out. It's important because if you have a 10ml vile and you're planning to getting 10 1ml pins out of it, you'll probably get closer to 9. Best thing you can do before you start is to make a calendar and plot out every pin and every pill. This is the best way I've found to make sure you time out the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to end on the right day, etc. I make one out showing everything I plan to do, and update it to show what I actually did. I also include notes on workouts and how I feel so I can refer back when planning a new one or just to compare how one is going compared to another. I don't know about you, but six months later I will have no idea what happened on week 5 vs week 7 or what ever. Also, just as a side note, I always buy extras of everything, not just the main course, but everything, slin pins, sterile vials, bac water, everything. I always assume I will drop a pill and loose it, contaminate a needle and need to use another, what ever.

 

[smittiot]

I already have the Sustanon (sust). That is what is available for me. Maybe I will go with Test E or C next time.

I plan on running the Sustanon (sust). For 12-14 weeks.

Just finishing my sust250 cycle and if I had to do it over again I would pin Mon, Weds, Sat instead of 2x per week.
Going with Test E next time.
My log is over in the "my cycle" forum if your interested.

 

[liftingwhey8]

Should be a good run. Everything here is good advice. I'm guessing when you say 12-14 weeks, you're going to go until you run out. One thing to keep in mind is you will loose a bit of oil every time you pin, plan on 0.1ml each time. You loose it to the needle volume and when you get the air out. It's important because if you have a 10ml vile and you're planning to getting 10 1ml pins out of it, you'll probably get closer to 9. Best thing you can do before you start is to make a calendar and plot out every pin and every pill. This is the best way I've found to make sure you time out the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to end on the right day, etc. I make one out showing everything I plan to do, and update it to show what I actually did. I also include notes on workouts and how I feel so I can refer back when planning a new one or just to compare how one is going compared to another. I don't know about you, but six months later I will have no idea what happened on week 5 vs week 7 or what ever. Also, just as a side note, I always buy extras of everything, not just the main course, but everything, slin pins, sterile vials, bac water, everything. I always assume I will drop a pill and loose it, contaminate a needle and need to use another, what ever.

Thanks for the response. I have 4 10 ml bottles, and over 100 sterile 23g 1.5" pins, 30 18g extractors, and a huge box of Alco swabs, so I think I'm good with necessary gear /supplies. I say 12-14 depending on how the cycle is going/realuts/increased dosages etc.

I will definitely start a log like you suggest. I plan to get blood work done again half way through cycle to adjust dosages accordingly. So I will land up until that point, then revise plan post blood work /mid cycle.