Primo e / test e / tbol + HIIT

[4rings2snails]

Starting my 2nd cycle soon...its going to consist of:

1-5 tbol 3x/day ed 20/20/20
1-14 test e 500/wk
1-14 primo e 800/wk (was thinking of doing a week of primo prior to the test and tbol) Open to suggestions on this.
HCG right from day 1 or day 8...not sure yet
16-19 PCT

My question is NOT directly related to my cycle but rather its geared more towards my wanting to do HIIT PWO 4-5 days a week while on this cycle. 37, 5'10", 180, 12% BF.

I need to get to sub 10% BF one of these damn days and since the primo will help me not have to eat like a ravaging pig all cycle long while still packing on the LBM, I was thinking that this cycle might allow me to do my HIIT for 25 minutes 5x/wk PWO.

I understand the muscle sparing aspect of HIIT and want to incorporate it during this cycle with primo. Dropping that much coin on some quailty primo is making me want to get as much result out of this cycle as I can BUT with some BF lose too.

Is this possible? Is this a good idea? will HIIT 5x/wk for 25 minutes really be all that counterproductive? I'm thinking its a good idea. Any guidance is appreciated.

 

[4rings2snails]

Damn... A hundred views and nobody wants to chime in. c'mon! lol

I would'a thought that some other people would be interested in HIIT while on cycle... I've searched and I can't narrow down a solid answer that's close to what I'm looking to find out.

 

[4rings2snails]

I decided to google my general question and came up with a few answers...some of which were from Ology.

Seems like HIIT 4-5 times a week (even PWO) will NOT be detrimental to my cycle. Considering how HIIT works and the idea of lipolysis with regard to HIIT, I'm gunna do 4 weeks of HIIT follow by LISS for 2 weeks...then revert back to HIIT and repeat.

I also found out that having a thread all to myself is pretty sweet

 

[DreDay187]

I'm In this thread bro lol. There is no magical cardio unfortunately. Hiit can burn more calories than normal slow state cardio but you do so at the expense of recovery, HIIT can be harsh depending on what you're doing. Your biggest results will be coming from diet, weights, and the gear which will help in recovery but its still possible to overtrain even with the gear. I would suggest maybe 2-3 HIIT cardio sessions per week and fill that void with less intense cardio just to aid in recovery for weight training which will reap more benefits than the cardio in terms of maintaining and building muscle mass. Your absolute best option IMO if you have 130$ to spend is buy a prowler or push/pull sled. Dicks sporting goods has them cheap online for around $130 with free shipping I believe. Look it up. You load it with weights and by eliminating the eccentric part of the cardio/training it does far less wear and tear on your recovery and still provides a great cardio/muscle building option. If you've never loaded 100lbs onto a prowler and sprinted for 30yds with it you don't know what you're missing. It feels like hell and you'll want to puke but you'll keep coming back for it like a sick bastard lol. If you use slightly less than maxiaml weight it also doubles as "active recovery" for your weight training and HIIT sessions. You could actually use this as your sole cardio source and get amazing results. Hope that helps brother. Let me know if I didn't answer your question or need more info about the prowler .

 

[4rings2snails]

Dude! Great idea. Looking into it now. Only thing that comes to mind is lubar spine / sciatic soreness. I'm wondering how hard I'll curse you if I'm in agony after a sled session out in my parking lot lol! And who do I address my weekly massage therapy bills to? Just email your adress brother... all good!

Honestly, I think I'm gunna run HIIT 2-3x/wk treadmill/sled, then 1-2x/wk steady state for 30-40 min @ around 130bpm. I dropped alot of BF% last summer with steady state 5x week @ 130bpm (off cycle) with the help of 3J...

 

[mckic07]

currently running test e and var, 4 weeks in and also looking for the right cardio to cut properly... i used tbol before and breaking up the dose isnt a great idea, it just doesnt work well, take all 60mg about 30min to an hour before workout and it works so much better, will be following, best of luck man!

 

[Frank White]

Figured i'd let someone else address this "hiit" question, because i dont know shit about it. I am however, very interested seeing how you make out with test/primo cycle though!!

 

[4rings2snails]

@mckic: Really huh? all 60 in one shot? This is my first time with tbol; maybe ramp up to 60? And have you heard why exactly taking it all in one shot yields better results?

@Frank: I'm still 10 days out from starting but I'll be sure to post about progress and the HIIT.

@Doc (Dre): Any thoughts on tbol administration all in one shot pre-WO?

 

[DreDay187]

Lol at sending the bills. I'll claim chapter 7 or 11 brother hahaha. Everything I've read in Anabolics 10th Ed suggests most if not all orals are bet taken all at once. No personal experience but its what the text says. I'll check it for tbol specifically later

 

[4rings2snails]

Lol at sending the bills. I'll claim chapter 7 or 11 brother hahaha. Everything I've read in Anabolics 10th Ed suggests most if not all orals are bet taken all at once. No personal experience but its what the text says. I'll check it for tbol specifically later

Thanks dude! And I'm already deciding on which sled to get. Again, great idea...thanks again for thinking to tell me about it.

Let me know what you find about the tbol if anything aside from what you've already read. Cheers bud!

 

[DreDay187]

Thanks dude! And I'm already deciding on which sled to get. Again, great idea...thanks again for thinking to tell me about it.

Let me know what you find about the tbol if anything aside from what you've already read. Cheers bud!

I'll let you know what I find . You're welcome about the sled. I cannot recommend it enough if you're looking to do intense cardio and/or active recovery. I'm looking into buying a home gym and this piece of equipment is right behind a power rack, Elieko bar and weights, and a platform. I'm lucky enough to live on a steep hill so every so often I also do "hill" sprints and load up 5gal buckets with water and run up. Another good cardio option. I get bored on elliptical, treadmill, rower after a while.

 

[mckic07]

i'm not exactly sure why it's better to take at once, i know it has a half life of roughly 16 hours and thought i'd break it up, it worked slightly, then i did all 50mg an hour before the session as other guys advised me and it worked much better... but i agree with your ramp up plan, i'm currently using anavar at 50mg ed and it's the shit, strength goes up every session and gives you mind blowing pumps

 

[4rings2snails]

Yeah bud, I was happy that DreDay's findings in Anabolics 10th Ed concurred with what you've personally noticed yourself and what you suggested about dosing all at once.

DreDay knows his stuff and backs up what he says with references and research. He's quite scrupulous in his research. One of the most helpful fellas on the forums IMHO.

 

[mckic07]

completely agree man, all the best for your cycle, will be following!

 

[DreDay187]

Thanks dude! And I'm already deciding on which sled to get. Again, great idea...thanks again for thinking to tell me about it.

Let me know what you find about the tbol if anything aside from what you've already read. Cheers bud!

This is what I found in regards to Dbol, Tbol did not mention anything specific other than not taking it longer than 6-8wks due to hepatic toxicity.

***8220;The half-life of Dianabol is only about 3 to 5 hours. A single daily dosage schedule will produce a varying blood level, with ups and downs throughout the day. The user, likewise, has a choice, to either split up the tablets during the day or to take them all at one time. The usual recommendation has been to divide them and try to regulate the concentration in your blood. This, however, will produce a lower peak blood level than if the tablets were taken all at once, so there may be a trade-off with this option. Both options work fine, but anecdotal evidence seems to support single daily doses as being better for overall results. With such a schedule, it seems logical that taking the pills earlier in the day would be optimal. This would allow a considerable number of daytime hours for an androgen-rich metabolism to heighten the uptake of nutrients, especially the critical hours following training.***8221;

Excerpt From: Llewellyn, William. ***8220;Anabolics.***8221; iBooks.
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[4rings2snails]

Thanks for the reference bud. Yeah.. I think I'm going to ramp up to 60mgs over a few days and if all is well I'll most likely go all in na hour or two PreWO.

If that doesn't work for me for whatever reason then I'll go 30mgs morning and 30mgs an hour before my normal 6pm lift session. Thank you again for looking into it for us all.