Chip , there's peace here.. I just want to know what works bc I'm sitting on a lot of medicine that I can't use right now.. I would like to know what really will help my body accept this stuff.. I appreciate solid answers from people like me who don't react well to prop.. Chip, I know you can just shoot it straight that's why I'm asking for other opinions
Prop is no joke
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Hi all,
thought I would jump in, Prop is great, I do agree it hurt a bit, but after about 2 weeks there was nothing. I hit my quads and ventroglutes as well. NEVER CALVES!! FUCK THAT!!
I'm new to gear, but have been training for a long time. If you have been pinning for a while maybe you do need to mix it. but it's straight gear for me.
40 yrs old
6 ft
230 lbs
15-17 bf depending LOL
thought I would jump in, Prop is great, I do agree it hurt a bit, but after about 2 weeks there was nothing. I hit my quads and ventroglutes as well. NEVER CALVES!! FUCK THAT!!
I'm new to gear, but have been training for a long time. If you have been pinning for a while maybe you do need to mix it. but it's straight gear for me.
40 yrs old
6 ft
230 lbs
15-17 bf depending LOL
So, held further comments even though I had some. I had just ordered a refill with Maximus and went with prop - wanted to get it and try. For me, zero soreness in either glute, minor sometimes in shoulder... really more an irritation. So, this is typical reaction to the ester and for many folks (I've read) after a few weeks you get used to it.
A lot of this thread turned into prop crashing out - that's what I wanted to comment on since it didn't seem right. At 100mg/ml that would be odd for a legit rx. Technically, 100mg/ml is the strongest you can make prop w/out going super high in the solvent, which could be more irritating and even then may still crash. Mixing with another oil is really to prevent crashing (i.e. could turn 100mg/ml into 50ml, but realistically, some of the UG stuff at 200mg/ml+ is where it would work making it go from 200mg/ml to 100mg/ml or less). Not at all what I would expect from a pharmacy and now that I have my refills, I can confidently say, it isn't the problem.
Obviously, my expertise here is researching - a lot. I completely understand the chemistry behind it, which then makes translating the discussion between t prop crashing and "simple" reaction the the ester itself very easy. We are only experiencing the irritation from the prop ester itself, not prop crashing out of the oil.
Some will tolerate less than others. So far, I'm with Chip and love the stuff - treating me awesome. Unfortunately, TR wasn't so lucky :-(
A lot of this thread turned into prop crashing out - that's what I wanted to comment on since it didn't seem right. At 100mg/ml that would be odd for a legit rx. Technically, 100mg/ml is the strongest you can make prop w/out going super high in the solvent, which could be more irritating and even then may still crash. Mixing with another oil is really to prevent crashing (i.e. could turn 100mg/ml into 50ml, but realistically, some of the UG stuff at 200mg/ml+ is where it would work making it go from 200mg/ml to 100mg/ml or less). Not at all what I would expect from a pharmacy and now that I have my refills, I can confidently say, it isn't the problem.
Obviously, my expertise here is researching - a lot. I completely understand the chemistry behind it, which then makes translating the discussion between t prop crashing and "simple" reaction the the ester itself very easy. We are only experiencing the irritation from the prop ester itself, not prop crashing out of the oil.
Some will tolerate less than others. So far, I'm with Chip and love the stuff - treating me awesome. Unfortunately, TR wasn't so lucky :-(
cjw2021
Pro Bodybuilder
Ya it's the ester I think..some UGL labs from what I have read make it up to 300-400mg/ml with ethyl oleate which I read in a scientific paper slows the release of the ester. The last batch I got from the pharm doesn't bug me much when I mix it with 1:1 grape seed oil and heat it in the syringe in hot water so it mixes faster.
DesMaul, that is some deep shit bro.. I read it a couple times.. I can see you have done your homework.. I guess I need to study up so I can understand what you're saying..
Update: I started mixing half and half cyp/prop and warm it w/ hot water in the syringe.. So far so good.. There's pain and lumps, definitely much less.. I can handle this.. I'm hoping that I can graduate to straight prop when my body gets used to the ester.. I really want the prop to agree w/ me because what I read is that is the best choice to keep estro sides down.. I also read people just having a better sense of well being on prop.. I'll keep at it
Update: I started mixing half and half cyp/prop and warm it w/ hot water in the syringe.. So far so good.. There's pain and lumps, definitely much less.. I can handle this.. I'm hoping that I can graduate to straight prop when my body gets used to the ester.. I really want the prop to agree w/ me because what I read is that is the best choice to keep estro sides down.. I also read people just having a better sense of well being on prop.. I'll keep at it
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