Proper caloric intake while on test E

[iceman420]

I plan to do my first cycle as a Test E only, 500 mg/week cycle. Lets say for the sake of argument that my TDEE is 3000 calories, and the goal of my first cycle is to put on a moderate amount of muscle AND lose some fat (ie. i'm not looking to just put on as much mass as possible, but would rather more moderate gains so that fat could be lost as well). What daily caloric intake should i be looking at?

Just as a sidenote, i will be using Aromasin throughout the cycle since that is in line with my goal.

 

[3J]

3000 + cardio though...

but is your maint calories 3000?? have you figured out your bmr/tdee??

stats?

age
weight
height
bf
training exp

 

[3J]

also, just eating 3000 calories isn't gonna do it.. it has to be 3000 calories of the right foods at the right time...

u'd have to post up a diet for critique..

 

[iceman420]

I'm 29 yrs old, 6'5, 225 lbs, BF in the high-teens, been lifting weights for a few years. My TDEE is closer to 3200, i was just using 3000 as an easy number.

If I just eat my TDEE in calories, plus do cardio, will I put on muscle?

 

[3J]

on cycle.. yes... again.. this would be predicated on u eating the right foods at the right times...

u could eat 3000 calories of crap and just get fat

 

[iceman420]

Of course my diet will be on-point as far as food qualities.

Now suppose TDEE is 3200 but i eat a bit more, say 3700 or so per day but I eat very clean foods, is fat-loss still possible on cycle? (since Test has fat-burning properties...)

 

[3J]

i dunno who told you test has fat burning properties.. if anything it hold on to fat more due to higher estrogen levels...

if you eat 3700 calories your really gonna have to up your cardio..

and as fo ryour diet being on-point, take the time to post one up so we can fine tune it. iv had alotta people tell me their diet is on point when that was not the case

 

[iceman420]

I will be using Aromasin throughout the cycle to combat the estrogen. If i do so, my understanding was that testosterone does have fat burning properties and with the aromatase enzyme being blocked (by the AI), water retention and fat gain from estrogen would be minimized.

My diet will be based on 40/40/20 split of protein, carbs, and fats, split into 6 meals a day - all 6 meals will have a protein base. The earlier meals will be protein/carb and the later meals will be protein/fats. I will be taking in about 300 grams of protein a day. Simple carbs will be confined to my post workout shake.

 

[theathlete22]

I will be using Aromasin throughout the cycle to combat the estrogen. If i do so, my understanding was that testosterone does have fat burning properties and with the aromatase enzyme being blocked (by the AI), water retention and fat gain from estrogen would be minimized.

My diet will be based on 40/40/20 split of protein, carbs, and fats, split into 6 meals a day - all 6 meals will have a protein base. The earlier meals will be protein/carb and the later meals will be protein/fats. I will be taking in about 300 grams of protein a day. Simple carbs will be confined to my post workout shake.

im currently on test e 500mg/wk, test will make u loose fat because its going to make u build muscle. the more muscle u have the more calories u need to eat to maintain that muscle. as for your ratio, i would switch it to 50/30/20 for carb/pro/fat, this is what i was told to do after weeks of research and thread posting. find you exact tdee and adjust for cardio. yes, keep pwo shake with simple carbs, 2:1 ratio is good of carbs to pro. train hard and u will do fine

 

[3J]

I will be using Aromasin throughout the cycle to combat the estrogen. If i do so, my understanding was that testosterone does have fat burning properties and with the aromatase enzyme being blocked (by the AI), water retention and fat gain from estrogen would be minimized.

My diet will be based on 40/40/20 split of protein, carbs, and fats, split into 6 meals a day - all 6 meals will have a protein base. The earlier meals will be protein/carb and the later meals will be protein/fats. I will be taking in about 300 grams of protein a day. Simple carbs will be confined to my post workout shake.

sounds like u got it down right... and yes there is a PASSIVE way test helps with fat burn through increase in lbm which = increase in metabolism...

keep us posted.. i like the 40/40/20 myself...

 

[RJ]

I will be using Aromasin throughout the cycle to combat the estrogen. If i do so, my understanding was that testosterone does have fat burning properties and with the aromatase enzyme being blocked (by the AI), water retention and fat gain from estrogen would be minimized.

Since this is your first cycle, i have to ask, why are you using the Aromasin? You have no idea if you are going to have issues with estrogen until you do a cycle. Not saying you won't, but IMO water retention and fat gain are results of poor diet and not enuf H2O.

Do what you feel is right for you, but less is more when it comes to drugs, and adding something as strong as a suicide inhibitor just in case is a little overkill IMO.

As for fat-burning, like the Jamr guy said above, very indirect effect due only to gaining more LBM. But again, without the proper nutrition, you'll be lucky to gain a couple pounds of that anyway.

Good luck.

 

[iceman420]

The reason i'm using Aromasin throughout is to counteract bloating, water retention, and fat gain brought on by estrogen. I know that this will mean a sacrifice of some muscle-gain, but i am consciously making that trade-off.

From the description of Test on this site's steroid profile, as well as many internet links, they imply that Test does promote fat-loss, not just as a side-effect of increased BMR, but also because it promotes the use of fat as energy more so than if you had less Test levels in your body - and it also makes it a lot less likely that muscle will be burned for energy. So, with elevated Test levels (and no increased estrogen), theoretically when you do cardio on an empty stomach in the morning, it should burn a lot more fat than if you had normal test levels... thoughts?

 

[3J]

test does not bind with lipids... it does not DIRECTLY promote fat loss... i dont know where your getting your info from...

you wont burn more fat on empty stomach cardio.. you'll hold on to more muscle because of positive nitrogen retention

 

[RJ]

The reason i'm using Aromasin throughout is to counteract bloating, water retention, and fat gain brought on by estrogen. I know that this will mean a sacrifice of some muscle-gain, but i am consciously making that trade-off.

From the description of Test on this site's steroid profile, as well as many internet links, they imply that Test does promote fat-loss, not just as a side-effect of increased BMR, but also because it promotes the use of fat as energy more so than if you had less Test levels in your body - and it also makes it a lot less likely that muscle will be burned for energy. So, with elevated Test levels (and no increased estrogen), theoretically when you do cardio on an empty stomach in the morning, it should burn a lot more fat than if you had normal test levels... thoughts?

that was my point above. You've never done juice. How do you know you will have any of those effects? I'm not saying you won't, but why take something before you know how you're body will react to the initial drug in the first place? This is the main reason its suggested to use one compound for your first cycle. To determine the effects (good or bad) of one compound before you start adding others. Taking Aromasin JUST to take in case something happens is a little much IMO. Its a strong drug, that although safe in regards to other AIs, is still unnecessary if your body doesn't have those reactions to the test. Like I said, if you hold a ton of water, etc, its likely due to a poor diet and not the test anyway.

The fat loss thing. 3J did a fine job explaining that. I honestly think you are not well versed enough to jump in yet, but since we all know you will anyway, at least try and do things the right way first.

For example, have you had a blood test done yet to determine baseline test levels so you can have a starting point when you finish your PCT?

 

[iceman420]

RJH, you make an excellent point about holding off until i understand exactly how my body will react to the test. Isn't it the case that almost everybody retains a bunch of water, though? But still, definitely something to consider.

Regarding the blood test, no i have not done it yet, but i will NOT start the cycle until i have done the blood test which i will have done in early feb

 

[RJ]

RJH, you make an excellent point about holding off until i understand exactly how my body will react to the test. Isn't it the case that almost everybody retains a bunch of water, though? But still, definitely something to consider.

Regarding the blood test, no i have not done it yet, but i will NOT start the cycle until i have done the blood test which i will have done in early feb

No, that is not the case at all. And i know its hard to navigate thru all the stuff you hear on these boards. Most of what you hear is second hand from someone who has never been thru it they are just spouting out what they have read somewhere else.

Kind of like you hear Prop doesn't make you bloat but enanthate does. Well, thats not always the case either.

Like i said, excessive bloating IMO is mainly due to poor diet or lack of water.

 

[Squanto]

hey sounds like a good cycle plan. i was going to be doing a similar cycle
Test E-at 500mg per week
with anastrozol(like you)at 0.25 ED throughout the cycle. Its gonna be a 10 week cycle. also gonna throw in winni at 50 mg for the last 6 weeks. in theory, the anastrozol and winni will stop the majority of any estro related sides.(as winni works almost like an anti estro with moderate gains in muscle-increased with test-and vascularity, aswell as pumps).Its cheap too.
~with that said the gains will be less water, More of a dryer muscle look then without the two compounds._and with proper PCT_easy to maintain.--kinda in the same boat as you-bulked and cutt B4 naturally.want to loss a little fat but also gain lean muscle. This with proper diet and training_i think good results can be seen. Also got clomid At 50mg a tab and nolvadex at 10 mg. Plan on usein them for my PCT but if needed i will use the nolva befor.(prop will be able to avoid this with the anastrozol AND winni THo.) Good luck man.sounds good 2 me.

 

[Squanto]

***note*** if you do gain some water weight it will go away(dont worrie) but yeah the anastrozol should do some good. clen included in you pct /or even toward the end of your cycle and continued through your pct -will help get ride of water weight. I def. heard of people usein clen in there pct for this purpose. You also dont have to get to crazy with you pct for a test only cycle, but def. wanna be pct ready~no point in jabin if your not pct ready~wanna keep that muscle. ~Just keep an eye on the type of gains you are getin, Youll b fine

 

[Squanto]

i think what the iceman is geting at is that he dont want a bunch of mass hang off him. yeah mucle burns fat-simple as that. anti estro can keep fat deposits, water retention, and gyno to a minimal-simple as that. if this is what he wants i suggest he runs a anti estro throughout his cycle like he said. look-its not gonna do him any harm-and it will make his post cycle recovery an even smoother transition. Hell get the gains he wants without the sides he dosnt.