Questions about my PCT

[The Fistinator]

Hey everyone, this was my first cycle of just Test E for 12 weeks @ 500mg per week and I just have a few questions, oh and I'm 23.

I have 3 jabs left, and started taking Adex at week 8 @ .5mg a day due to symptoms coming on which are now gone of course. So my post cycle therapy (pct) is coming up soon. I have my Clomid here and plenty of Adex to last. So I was going to keep Adex at the same .5mg a day plus Clomid, but what dose of clomid would you recommend?

Another thing was diet and training. I've seen some people say take time off from the gym while on post cycle therapy (pct) to reduce catabolic state, but I don't know if that's a good idea myself, why I'm asking

Last thing is diet, should I keep it the same or increase ever so slightly by a few hundred cals?

Thanks for the advice!

 

[codymx29]

A lot of ppl dose clomid 50/50/50/50 or 40/40/20/20 . The first seems the best for me. I wouldnt take time off, your muscle needs to be stressed to keep size. Make sure you are not overtraining and maybe a take an extra day off or 2 a week. Diet should be fine as long as protein/carbs are high enough.

 

[kfairhurst]

Don't use your adex throughout pct, stop before post cycle therapy (pct). If anything, you'd decrease your intake by a few hundred cals. Your body wont be able to use the same amount of energy (calories) when your off. Continue training, not sure what your split looks like now but intensity shouldn't be an issue when your off.

 

[The Fistinator]

Yeah, my protein is between 1.2-1.5 and carbs are 2+ per lb.

I train 4 days a week with cardio on each of those days which burns around 300cals time, I'm guessing that's one thing to cut out for sure since cardio is very catabolic vs weight resistance? Speaking of the weight, you recommend I keep it heavy-ish then, like 80% of my 1 rep max? So reps as well, like 6-8 reps with about 9-12 working sets per muscle group or deload with lighter weights, higher reps?

Thanks for the reply

 

[The Fistinator]

Don't use your adex throughout pct, stop before post cycle therapy (pct). If anything, you'd decrease your intake by a few hundred cals. Your body wont be able to use the same amount of energy (calories) when your off. Continue training, not sure what your split looks like now but intensity shouldn't be an issue when your off.

Okay, so would you replace adex with nolva or nothing?

 

[nickb86]

run the adex until your test finishes so week 12, and then 2 weeks and start pct.
have a look about and make some choices and get your pct sorted.
id run your pct like this:
wks
14-17 nolva 40/20/20/20
14-17 clomid 50/25/25/25
14-19 forma stanzol
14-19 daa 3 g's a day.

 

[Iron Giant]

Clomid @ 50/50/20/20 and Nolva @ 40/40/20/20 would be good. If your really worried about E you can use Aromasin @ 6.25-12.5mg EOD through PCT (Aromasin is the only Aromatase inhibitor (AI) you should run through PCT, if any).

As for training, continue to lift heavy and I would throw a de-load in somewhere (middle or end of PCT, whenever your feeling "off"/burnt out). Your intensity is likely to drop and you won't be able to keep up with high volume so your workout will probably be 2/3 as intense/volume as normal anyway.

 

[nickb86]

forma stanzol is formestane
aromasin is exemstane
Very similar not identical but forma is a topical cream, no toxicity and increases free test and increases igf1 levels, i believe it too be superior in pct to aromasin, both are suicidal ai's and i run aromasin on cycle (use forma alot too) but for pct i believe forma is incredible. IMO

 

[The Fistinator]

Thanks for the info so far everyone!

I was thinking, I've only really noticed the size gains since like week 8/9, weight moving up slightly, clothes feeling tighter everywhere and the such. I was wondering if I should extend my cycle by another 4 weeks? I can get another vial of test enanthate any time and have 1 jab left right now which is 3 days away. I personally feel this would benefit me as the gains started quite late. Any reason I shouldn't do this? remember I'm only on 500mg per week and a few guys I know said go for it but I want more advice

 

[nickb86]

you could extend it bud id only go for another 2 weeks, then start the pct and recover dont go longer or recovery and pct may be harder, longer.
just enjoy what you got and save a bigger cycle for a later date.

 

[The Fistinator]

I had some spare so extended it by another 1 and a half weeks, last jab in a few days.

But regarding PCT again, I have clomid and enough adex left on hand to go into my PCT, you said replace it with Nolva. All I see everywhere are conflicting reports, some say Adex + Clomid is fine, while others say use Nolva. A few big, experienced dudes in my gym also say I'd be fine with Adex and Clomid and wouldn't need Nolva.

Of course, I'd like to know the reason why as constantly getting differeant info from people is doing my head in lol. I can get Nolva any time I want, the day I ask for it, but I'd rather avoid the expense if I could, since I have left over Adex

Forgive my noobyness

 

[kfairhurst]

Nolva works, clomid works, and so does nolva + clomid. Theres lots of information out there about why both are best used together, and some of the most well know professionals in the industry recommend both. Some also recommend one over the other. I feel that running both is your best bet, after all, if you don't recover 100% then your just causing yourself extra trouble.