questions on my first cycle

[BIGREDTHENDEAD]

I'm pretty sure I'm ready for steroids and I know how to train I have been working out for 7 years and being 240 pounds and only 15 percent body fat I think that's pretty damn good probably about as good or better then people on here that are already taking steroids so I think I will respond great to steroids and again if I didn't know how to diet then I wouldn't be 240 pounds with only 15 percent bodyfat

 

[BIGREDTHENDEAD]

I am starting out with just a test only cycle

 

[Megatron28]

I'm pretty sure I'm ready for steroids and I know how to train I have been working out for 7 years and being 240 pounds and only 15 percent body fat I think that's pretty damn good probably about as good or better then people on here that are already taking steroids so I think I will respond great to steroids and again if I didn't know how to diet then I wouldn't be 240 pounds with only 15 percent bodyfat

Sounds like you have it all figured out! Good luck. Make sure you continue to hang around here and let us know how you are doing. Sounds like you will respond great psychologically to PCT as well since you are 240 pounds. And remember to pay it forward to the new guys that are asking questions in the future.

 

[SilverBackGorilla]

I'd like to see this 240# 15%bf 22yr old as he is natty before I'd condone even a test only cycle. I call B.S.

 

[Kill_thatshit]

You really should listen to some of the vets on her man. You are way to young, the cycle you suggested is porly planed.

What are your goals?
Do you even know why your using, what the gear you suggested even does at any dose.
What knowledge do you posses about dieting and supplementation And I don't mean designer steroids, PH or AAS.

I don't know how tall you are but it sounds like you have a great frame to work from brother, if you have truly been lifting for seven years which would make you 14 when you started, you should have a solid knowledge of how to attack your muscle groups for gains, endurance, cutting and so on. You shouldn't need to cycle anything to turn that frame into what your looking to achieve.

I understand it seems like an easy way to reach your goals but you can truly hinder yourself, gains and actually hurt yourself both inside and out.

That young your muscles, tendons, and ligaments are still growing. If you push your muscles to grow at a faster rate it's going to put a serious strain on your body especially your ligaments and tendons. Possible causing serious damage and that's not even the bad effects of using at that age.

I won't go in any deeper on your thread but if you would like some help developing a real workout program, diet, and direction towards proper supplementation. Please feel free to contact me. I can really help you reach your goals without needing any AAS.

 

[BIGREDTHENDEAD]

Thanks megatron yeah I'm excited to start glad you and a few people agreed that I'm built good enough to start

 

[BIGREDTHENDEAD]

I think i can handle my workouts and diets but thanks anyway

 

[Megatron28]

Thanks megatron yeah I'm excited to start glad you and a few people agreed that I'm built good enough to start

Just to be clear, I don't think your brain and endocrine system are "built good enough" yet to start a cycle given your age. It isn't just about physique. But you are old enough to do your own research and make your own decisions.

 

[banzi]

I really don't know why this age thing is so relevant, first its about if people are physically ready, then its mentally ready.
In the first sticky its age 24 minimum then goes on to advise 500mgs Test e, why not 250mgs test e, thats more than enough to get gains and then the second cycle ups the dosage.
So by cycle 20 you will end up on mega dosages.
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...cycling-beginners-guide-your-first-cycle.html
Whats wrong with 250mgs test a week for 12 weeks, 12 week break then 250mgs test again depending on previous gains?

 

[Megatron28]

I really don't know why this age thing is so relevant, first its about if people are physically ready, then its mentally ready.
In the first sticky its age 24 minimum then goes on to advise 500mgs Test e, why not 250mgs test e, thats more than enough to get gains and then the second cycle ups the dosage.
So by cycle 20 you will end up on mega dosages.
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...cycling-beginners-guide-your-first-cycle.html
Whats wrong with 250mgs test a week for 12 weeks, 12 week break then 250mgs test again depending on previous gains?

What makes you think your brain is fully developed in your teens or early 20's?

250mg of test a week barely puts you above normal Total Testosterone levels. Some guys on TRT take 250mg/week just to be in the normal range. I am on TRT so I have some experience with this. Why would you shut down your HPTA just to achieve normal or slightly above normal TT levels?

 

[banzi]

What makes you think your brain is fully developed in your teens or early 20's?

The burden of proof is yours, its you making the claim it isn't.

250mg of test a week barely puts you above normal Total Testosterone levels.

From taking nothing to 250mgs a week of test is a world of difference to me.
My training is far better I get great pumps, I get bigger by around 14lbs and look far better as far as muscularity and hardness.

 

[DreDay187]

The burden of proof is yours, its you making the claim it isn't.

A National Institutes of Health study proposes that the part of the brain that restrains risky behavior, including reckless driving, and thinking skills is not fully developed until the age of 25.

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Under most laws, young people are recognized as adults at age 18. But emerging science about brain development suggests that most people don't reach full maturity until the age 25.

Brain Maturity Extends Well Beyond Teen Years : NPR

From taking nothing to 250mgs a week of test is a world of difference to me.
My training is far better I get great pumps, I get bigger by around 14lbs and look far better as far as muscularity and hardness.[/QUOTE]

It certainly is different but the question was in respect to HOW different. If you've monitored serum levels you'd know that 250mg a week would put a normal eugonadal male above reference ranges but not by much. The question then becomes are the risks worth the rewards for such a slight increase?

Pumps aren't indicative of anything besides increased blood flow and vasodilation. In other words pumps don't equal growth and if one is worried about pumps a nitric oxide product, a vasodilator, etc or something like low dose cialis will suffice for getting pumps if someone is worried about the pump.

Of that 14lbs, how much of it do you think is skeletal muscle? How much is fat? How much is water retention? How much is increased glycogen stores? How much is food in the gut and digestive tract (presuming one is bulking)?

 

[banzi]

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Brain Maturity Extends Well Beyond Teen Years : NPR

From taking nothing to 250mgs a week of test is a world of difference to me.
My training is far better I get great pumps, I get bigger by around 14lbs and look far better as far as muscularity and hardness.

It certainly is different but the question was in respect to HOW different. If you've monitored serum levels you'd know that 250mg a week would put a normal eugonadal male above reference ranges but not by much. The question then becomes are the risks worth the rewards for such a slight increase?

Pumps aren't indicative of anything besides increased blood flow and vasodilation. In other words pumps don't equal growth and if one is worried about pumps a nitric oxide product, a vasodilator, etc or something like low dose cialis will suffice for getting pumps if someone is worried about the pump.

Of that 14lbs, how much of it do you think is skeletal muscle? How much is fat? How much is water retention? How much is increased glycogen stores? How much is food in the gut and digestive tract (presuming one is bulking)?

Well thats overwhelming evidence thanks for that, now lets ban people from doing anything until they are 25, so its no driving, crossing the road alone, going out without someone aged over 25 to act as chaperone.

As for the rest of your post my physique changes dramatically for the better on 250mgs of Test and I dont need to have researched anything to know that to be true.
You keep reading all the science books about test levels and I will keep making gains on 250mgs of test.
I guess I must just be a good responder.

 

[DreDay187]

Well thats overwhelming evidence thanks for that, now lets ban people from doing anything until they are 25, so its no driving, crossing the road alone, going out without someone aged over 25 to act as chaperone.

Driving and hormones are completely different, wouldn't you agree?

As for the rest of your post my physique changes dramatically for the better on 250mgs of Test and I dont need to have researched anything to know that to be true.
You keep reading all the science books about test levels and I will keep making gains on 250mgs of test.
I guess I must just be a good responder.

Nobody said gains couldn't be made on such a small dose of testosterone... The question again was is it worth it to suppress yourself for such a small dose. The answer in the eyes of the majority is no. You don't share that opinion which is perfectly fine. You are entitled to your opinion just like the rest of us are.

I actually will continue to read books, studies, articles, whatever I can get my hands on so I don't make ignorant decisions. Your path is for you to choose.

The lack of research on your part is evident but now you made the claim that you gain 14lbs while running a cycle of 250mg of test (which science, studies, doctors, medical professionals, etc all prove will out a eugonadal make just above normal physiological a ranges). Are you contending that this tidbit is false? Now back to your claim, how much of those 14lbs is muscle? How much is fat? How much is water retention? How much is increased glycogen? How much is food in the GI tract? These figures are important since if it's 14lbs of fat....well which one of us wants that now? If it's 14lbs of water well I'm happy for your 14lbs of water gains then. I understand if you don't have exact numbers since you probably haven't done a BodPod or Dexa scan but I'll take some estimates from you.

 

[banzi]

Driving and hormones are completely different, wouldn't you agree?

It was about making reckless decisions because peoples brains were not fully developed wasn't it?
Did I misread the article you posted?

As for my gain of 14lb on 250mgs of test, its likely a high % of water and glycogen retention, as for fat, none, in fact I lose fat.
Now as for keeping any weight I have weighed between 200 to 230 for the last 10 years, I have pretty much reached my genetic limitations and Im not prepared to risk my health by taking additional drugs to do it.

Clean I weigh between 200 and 210 and on cycle I can go up to 230, Im around 230 now at around 11% BF.

 

[Megatron28]

Well thats overwhelming evidence thanks for that, now lets ban people from doing anything until they are 25, so its no driving, crossing the road alone, going out without someone aged over 25 to act as chaperone.

As for the rest of your post my physique changes dramatically for the better on 250mgs of Test and I dont need to have researched anything to know that to be true.
You keep reading all the science books about test levels and I will keep making gains on 250mgs of test.
I guess I must just be a good responder.

If you are a super-responder to 250mg/week it sounds like you probably have really low natural testosterone levels. Perhaps you are hypogonadal.

 

[Megatron28]

It was about making reckless decisions because peoples brains were not fully developed wasn't it?
Did I misread the article you posted?

As for my gain of 14lb on 250mgs of test, its likely a high % of water and glycogen retention, as for fat, none, in fact I lose fat.
Now as for keeping any weight I have weighed between 200 to 230 for the last 10 years, I have pretty much reached my genetic limitations and Im not prepared to risk my health by taking additional drugs to do it.

Clean I weigh between 200 and 210 and on cycle I can go up to 230, Im around 230 now at around 11% BF.

No, you are missing the point banzi. You (hopefully) would not tell a prepubescent male to take AAS because his body is not fully developed yet. AAS would cause harm. So why do you think it is different with the brain? Why would you tell someone to use AAS before their brain is fully developed?

 

[banzi]

If you are a super-responder to 250mg/week it sounds like you probably have really low natural testosterone levels. Perhaps you are hypogonadal.

My balls shrink when I take gear and go back to normal when I come off, I think thats pretty normal.
Have I got big balls?
No idea, I tend not to look at other guys balls to make the comparison.

 

[BIGREDTHENDEAD]

Well I think 500 Mg of test is a good starting point

 

[banzi]

No, you are missing the point banzi. You (hopefully) would not tell a prepubescent male to take AAS because his body is not fully developed yet. AAS would cause harm. So why do you think it is different with the brain? Why would you tell someone to use AAS before their brain is fully developed?

What Im getting at is you are making sweeping generalisations over an internet forum.
Some people will be ready to make informed decisions before age 25
If you take this stance to its logical conclusion we will be advising people under age 25 not to try and go for a 1 rep max on his squat based on the fact he's not 25 and his brain isn't developed enough to make an informed decision and he's more likely to make a risky decision than a rational one.
Why are you trying to "mother" people.
Maybe the reason why people cant make rational decisions before they turn 25 these days is because society doesnt want them to.
Kids staying at home until they are 30 is not uncommon these days
My grandad was married with a child and had his own house at 18, paid for by working down the pit.
Im pretty sure he was making informed and reasoned decisions back then, its because he had to.
I notice one of the Scientists in the link Dre provided had two dumb kids who couldn't make decisions for themselves, not her fault of course.