Recommended BF% before cycle

[Anthbes]

I know you should be able to see your abs, and I think I am in the ball park area of 15-20% BF. I am thinking of getting on my first cycle after I cut down about 10-15 more pounds. I am currently running the keto diet, and it has got me down from 220-195lbs. Once I get down to a manageable weight and can see my abs, I would start a clean bulk and hopefully start the cycle at the same time.

I am 23, been working out seriously since about 18 with a couple of breaks inbetween due to injuries from lacrosse. I know I can manage a good 40P/40C/20F diet because I count and weigh everything on Keto. I've been researching the diet section hard and also reading about AAS.

I was thinking of the basic beginner cycle of:

Test E - 500mg/week 1-12
D-bol - 40mg ED/week 1-4
hcg - 500iu/week 5-12
have Arimidex on the side just in case

PCT - Nolva 2 weeks after last shot of test and run it 40/40/20/20?

I just want to know a ball park away of how much longer to wait, because I want to be in peak shape when I do the cycle, I want to lose some more fat before, But was just curious how much more.

Any info would be helpful, I have done lots of reading, so I hope I don't get flamed too hard. Thanks.

 

[ECKSRATED]

Id skip the dbol if I were you cus ur gonna feel like u put all that weight back on so quick that u worked so hard to lose. I've never ran dbols but everyone I know or see that's on them look fat and sloppy to me. That's my opinion.

 

[ECKSRATED]

I just looked at your pic and you got a nice build goin and test E or C would be perfect for you by itself. Goodluck man!

 

[rockets]

personally for me, when im bulking i prefer to start off on the leaner side because i always add a tad during cycle. and i always add some during post cycle therapy (pct). post cycle therapy (pct) is the fat that kills me.

 

[Anthbes]

So just toss the d-bol? I know a few guys that have taken d-bol and they do get chubby faces and get bloated, I was just thinking of running it just to sort of kick start.

So I guess I'll just roll with the Test E solo, is it still smart do go with hcg? And to still start it week 5 even with out the d-bol? I plan on eating a lot, but I'd like to do it as clean as possible even though i've heard bulk up and cut it after, its just i'd like to look lean and big, not big and fat.

 

[ECKSRATED]

So just toss the d-bol? I know a few guys that have taken d-bol and they do get chubby faces and get bloated, I was just thinking of running it just to sort of kick start.

So I guess I'll just roll with the Test E solo, is it still smart do go with hcg? And to still start it week 5 even with out the d-bol? I plan on eating a lot, but I'd like to do it as clean as possible even though i've heard bulk up and cut it after, its just i'd like to look lean and big, not big and fat.

I've never ran dbol before and I probably never will because I don't ever want that bloated sloppy look. I'm sure the strength gainscrazy but the cons outweigh the pros for me. If u want lean gains eat clean and stick to just a test. And for the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) you'll have to get someone elses opinion on that cus I'm not 100% sure about that shit yet. Good luck

 

[TonySuicideKing]

damn dude... you got a nice frame so far. my opinion take the dbol to kick start. if your worried about water retention just get a over the counter medication for water retention. an youll be good. i love dbol.. but thats my thought

 

[Anthbes]

damn dude... you got a nice frame so far. my opinion take the dbol to kick start. if your worried about water retention just get a over the counter medication for water retention. an youll be good. i love dbol.. but thats my thought

I just want to weigh all my options. Its good to hear from both sides. What are some of the over the counter meds that fight water retention? I could google it, but I'd prefer to hear from someone with experience than to read 20 different options that don't work all that well.

 

[TonySuicideKing]

I just want to weigh all my options. Its good to hear from both sides. What are some of the over the counter meds that fight water retention? I could google it, but I'd prefer to hear from someone with experience than to read 20 different options that don't work all that well.

Diurex is a decently known pill. But as most people know, water retention pills only fix the problem for the temporary time. SO, if your just looking to take away the water bloat while on dbol , then that will be fine. Running on dbol i havent noticed much bloat in the face for me. It was in the stomach region or the chest for the most part.

But otherwise... you could go see to a walk in clinic an just talk to a doctor an tell them you need a water retention medication that will help while your taking "athletic supplements" from say a GNC.

 

[barrysanders]

OR easier. Just go to RUI and get an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^banner above^^^^^^^^

Honestly, I run an oral to kickstart on every cycle and hardly ever get much bloat. I do run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) (aromasin) throughout the entire cycle though-thats just me.

If I was you, and my goals were just to gain some good solid mass and some strength to lift heavy-take the Dbol with an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) for 4 weeks. If you start getting some sides that you dont want quit taking it. Water weight is something that you can lose very quickly.

Be sure to split up your injections 250mg twice a week. G'luck with your cycle.

 

[jpflex66]

Unless your fat slob you can gear up dosent matter just don't bulk up on calories. My BF was really high when I did gear but I was super strong and looked more of a bodybuilder that average cut 180lb guy at my gym. Well I didn't have nicest 6pk but you knew I was solid. I spoke to contest bb and would comment they wish they had bulk as me. Only thing is I don't get cut easy

 

[jpflex66]

And by your pic. Your very well ready.

 

[Anthbes]

How often do you take the AI? EOD or ED? And also I will be pinning Monday and Thursday 250mg/test E.

I think I am going to give it another month see if I can shed a couple more pounds of unwanted fat and then get rolling on the gear. Just want to get the rest of the basics down and make sure I have it all on hand before starting.

Thanks for all the advice guys.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

It depends on which AI.

 

[Anthbes]

It depends on which AI.

I am pretty sure I could get arimidex and I think I read .5mg E3D? I could be wrong. I'll just do some research on arimidex.

Also should I run it right from the start while just on D-bol or throughout the whole cycle? I've read guys prefer not to take it unless they start getting gyno sides but I'd like to stay pretty dry and not bloated looking.

 

[barrysanders]

I, personally, run a low dosage of an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) throughout the whole cycle. If I don't I get very sore nipples. I adjust as needed of coarse throughout the cycle. I like to be safe then sorry.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

If you choose to run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) run it the entire time and into post cycle therapy (pct). Aromasin controls my acne better than the others. I think thats due to its ED dosing schedule.