Research on Level of Test and Cardiovascular Issues?

[newtohrt]

I'm willing to bet 9.9 times out of 10... that any patient who is in the range of 300-450 ng/dl for T.T. will be pushed onto Wellbutrin by their G.P. as a treatment for their diminished mood, energy and libido.

In my experience in speaking to 4 different doctors about Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) all but one has wanted to push Wellbutrin or another depression med onto me along side off Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) - and in one case where the doctor said, and I quote, "You don't seem depressed at all, but lets try the Wellbutrin anyway." I mean, I got the feeling he meant well and was genuinely wanted to help, but seriously?

 

[newtohrt]

Hey guys,

Any literature on level of test and cardiovascular issues/health issues?

Thanks

Here are a couple related to your question - not specifically mention a certain T level, but showing the benefit of T for heart issues.

Testosterone supplements may help heart failure patients | American Heart Association

and another The Testosterone Controversy - Life Extension

The study in the second link goes on to says that too much estrogen in males is bad for the heart, so Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) helps - but only when one monitors estrogen levels and keeps them in range. We all know that, right - but it seems many docs do not.

 

[Alpin]

In my experience in speaking to 4 different doctors about Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) all but one has wanted to push Wellbutrin or another depression med onto me along side off Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) - and in one case where the doctor said, and I quote, "You don't seem depressed at all, but lets try the Wellbutrin anyway." I mean, I got the feeling he meant well and was genuinely wanted to help, but seriously?

There you go...
Mass Murder pills pushers.

 

[Alpin]

Sorry guys let me be more specific. My Estradiol is fine, well in range. The problem I have is, My BP skyrocketed over the last several months. I cannot take BP meds as an airline pilot. I also cannot have an irregular EKG, Which I just had on my 6 month Aviation flight Physical. I have been having an irregular beat.....(Bum Bum.....bum.......bum bum.......bum..........bum......) for the past several months also. I went and donated blood which was nearly impossible given my irregular beat. No one wanted to touch me. I was denied 3 times at the Blood center. Finally they took it. No change in BP. No change in Heart beat.

My doc started with the 200mg/2weeks. I learned from here why I cried at hallmark commercials and actually went to 40mg 2x/ week. It made me feel perfect. Been doing that for several months. Now this heart crap is on me and I have a few months before my next flight Physical to get it worked out before the FAA freaks and grounds me.

I DO NOT take test to bulk up, although it has been nice to see gains at the gym. I take it because I felt like shit. Never had any sex drive problems and my wife is a 2x per day when I am home, (Hopefully not while I am gone, LOL). I just had no energy and brain fog.

I am going to a Urologist to get on a program that I feel I need to be on with his blessing and find out if I am primary or secondary. I am hoping on Test, Occasional HCG, (so I can have my nuts back) and an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). This seems to be what works best for most on here. I know everyone is different.

Cardiologist is to find out WTF is going on with my ticker and if it is related to test or not.

She's a Good wife bro!
What were your T levels before...
1100 ng/dl...
how much per week of T dose?
hoping for the best for you

 

[Alpin]

I know that TT that is too low has serious cardiovascular risks. I have read that too high can enlarge the heart. I Don t feel like searching Google for the literature though. It is out there though if you do a search.

Will T.T. of 1200 ng/dl enlarge heart?

 

[Megatron28]

Will T.T. of 1200 ng/dl enlarge heart?

I Don't know, but 1200 is pretty much in the normal range. The top of it, but basically in it.

 

[Alpin]

I Don't know, but 1200 is pretty much in the normal range. The top of it, but basically in it.

Over here ONLY 1 LAB MAX's out at 905 ng/dl, they lowered it from 1095 ng/dl.
The other 2 commonly used labs MAX out T.T. range at: 830 ng/dl and 778 ng/dl...

 

[Dalpilot]

She's a Good wife bro!
What were your T levels before...
1100 ng/dl...
how much per week of T dose?
hoping for the best for you

Yip, hot and 9 years younger too.

I started at 304 1.5 years ago.
100 mg/ week, was oing 50 2x/ week but got tired of poking myself.

Good news, cardiologist said its an extra atrium or Ventrical contraction. Not really anything to worry about and just seems to happen to some folks and water pills to drop my BP. Said he did not feel testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) has anything to do with it. On my way to Urologist now hoping he will put me on some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on top of my Test.

 

[IMT staff]

Progesterone, which is responsible for endothelial function. When you take testosterone it can shut down production of this very important hormone because it is made in the testicles next to estradiol and DHT. Taking Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) with your testosterone can be very beneficial in regards to proper endothelial function.

 

[Dalpilot]

Just got back and my Uro was great. Said he does not typically prescribe but when I talked to him about what I had learned he said, "Lets do it!" Only thing he wanted was a few days to do his research on proper dosage. It seems pretty normal for 250iu 2 days before and the day after my test.