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Ozzy27
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It has been known to cut a little fat.
mr8888
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bf is about 15%
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mr8888
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Not per session. I do 1.5 hour in the morning and another hour at night. 3 days . I sit at a desk all day so I hardly get much exercise in the day.
I just want some hardening , vascularity , recovery.
wannagetbigga
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i came across the following research which indicates that anavar may permanently reduce abdominal fat (disclaimer: i've never used anavar so i have no personal experience). i know that this study was done on older men but this is the best research i can find. you will also find anecdotal threads here where guys have used anavar with success in reducing bf:
Effects of androgen therapy on adipose tissue and metabolism in older men.Schroeder ET, Zheng L, Ong MD, Martinez C, Flores C, Stewart Y, Azen C, Sattler FR.
Department of Medicine and Division of Infectious Diseases, University of Southern California, Los Angeles, California 90033, USA.
We investigated the effects of oxandrolone on regional fat compartments and markers of metabolism. Thirty-two 60- to 87-yr-old men (body mass index, 28.1 +/- 3.4 kg/m(2)) were randomized to oxandrolone (20 mg/d; n = 20) or matching placebo (n = 12) treatment for 12 wk. Oxandrolone reduced total (-1.8 +/- 1.0 kg; P < 0.001), trunk (-1.2 +/- 0.6 kg; P < 0.001), and appendicular (-0.6 +/- 0.6 kg; P < 0.001) fat, as determined by dual energy x-ray absorptiometry. The changes in total and trunk fat were greater (P < 0.001) than the changes with placebo. By magnetic resonance imaging, visceral adipose tissue decreased (-20.9 +/- 12 cm(2); P < 0.001), abdominal sc adipose tissue (SAT) declined (-10.7 +/- 12.1 cm(2); P = 0.043), the ratio VAT/SAT declined from 0.57 +/- 0.23 to 0.49 +/- 0.19 (P = 0.002), and proximal and distal thigh SC fat declined [-8.3 +/- 6.7 cm(2) (P < 0.001) and -2.2 +/- 3.0 kg (P = 0.004), respectively]. Changes in proximal and distal thigh SC fat with oxandrolone were different than with placebo (P = 0.018 and P = 0.059). A marker of insulin sensitivity (quantitative insulin sensitivity check index) improved with oxandrolone by 0.0041 +/- 0.0071 (P = 0.018) at study wk 12. Changes in total fat, abdominal SAT, and proximal extremity SC fat were correlated with changes in fasting insulin from baseline to study wk 12 (r >or= 0.45; P < 0.05). Losses of total fat and SAT were greater in men with baseline testosterone of 10.4 nmol/liter or less (<or= 300 ng/dl) than in those with higher levels [-2.5 +/- 1.1 vs. -1.5 +/- 0.8 kg (P = 0.036) and -24.1 +/- 14.3 vs. -2.9 +/- 21.3 cm(2) (P = 0.03), respectively]. Twelve weeks after discontinuing oxandrolone, 83% of the reductions in total, trunk, and extremity fat by dual energy x-ray absorptiometry scanning were sustained (P < 0.02). Androgen therapy, therefore, produced significant and durable reductions in regional abdominal and peripheral adipose tissue that were associated with improvements in estimates of insulin sensitivity. However, high-density lipoprotein cholesterol decreased by -0.49 +/- 0.21 mmol/liter and directly measured low-density lipoprotein cholesterol increased by 0.57 +/- 0.67 mmol/liter and non-high-density lipoprotein cholesterol increased by 0.54 +/- 0.97 mmol/liter (P < 0.03 for each) during treatment with oxandrolone; these changes were largely reversible. Thus, therapy with an androgen that does not adversely affect lipids may be beneficial for some components of the metabolic syndrome in overweight older men with low testosterone levels.
Effects of androgen therapy on adipose tissue and metabolism in older men.Schroeder ET, Zheng L, Ong MD, Martinez C, Flores C, Stewart Y, Azen C, Sattler FR.
Department of Medicine and Division of Infectious Diseases, University of Southern California, Los Angeles, California 90033, USA.
We investigated the effects of oxandrolone on regional fat compartments and markers of metabolism. Thirty-two 60- to 87-yr-old men (body mass index, 28.1 +/- 3.4 kg/m(2)) were randomized to oxandrolone (20 mg/d; n = 20) or matching placebo (n = 12) treatment for 12 wk. Oxandrolone reduced total (-1.8 +/- 1.0 kg; P < 0.001), trunk (-1.2 +/- 0.6 kg; P < 0.001), and appendicular (-0.6 +/- 0.6 kg; P < 0.001) fat, as determined by dual energy x-ray absorptiometry. The changes in total and trunk fat were greater (P < 0.001) than the changes with placebo. By magnetic resonance imaging, visceral adipose tissue decreased (-20.9 +/- 12 cm(2); P < 0.001), abdominal sc adipose tissue (SAT) declined (-10.7 +/- 12.1 cm(2); P = 0.043), the ratio VAT/SAT declined from 0.57 +/- 0.23 to 0.49 +/- 0.19 (P = 0.002), and proximal and distal thigh SC fat declined [-8.3 +/- 6.7 cm(2) (P < 0.001) and -2.2 +/- 3.0 kg (P = 0.004), respectively]. Changes in proximal and distal thigh SC fat with oxandrolone were different than with placebo (P = 0.018 and P = 0.059). A marker of insulin sensitivity (quantitative insulin sensitivity check index) improved with oxandrolone by 0.0041 +/- 0.0071 (P = 0.018) at study wk 12. Changes in total fat, abdominal SAT, and proximal extremity SC fat were correlated with changes in fasting insulin from baseline to study wk 12 (r >or= 0.45; P < 0.05). Losses of total fat and SAT were greater in men with baseline testosterone of 10.4 nmol/liter or less (<or= 300 ng/dl) than in those with higher levels [-2.5 +/- 1.1 vs. -1.5 +/- 0.8 kg (P = 0.036) and -24.1 +/- 14.3 vs. -2.9 +/- 21.3 cm(2) (P = 0.03), respectively]. Twelve weeks after discontinuing oxandrolone, 83% of the reductions in total, trunk, and extremity fat by dual energy x-ray absorptiometry scanning were sustained (P < 0.02). Androgen therapy, therefore, produced significant and durable reductions in regional abdominal and peripheral adipose tissue that were associated with improvements in estimates of insulin sensitivity. However, high-density lipoprotein cholesterol decreased by -0.49 +/- 0.21 mmol/liter and directly measured low-density lipoprotein cholesterol increased by 0.57 +/- 0.67 mmol/liter and non-high-density lipoprotein cholesterol increased by 0.54 +/- 0.97 mmol/liter (P < 0.03 for each) during treatment with oxandrolone; these changes were largely reversible. Thus, therapy with an androgen that does not adversely affect lipids may be beneficial for some components of the metabolic syndrome in overweight older men with low testosterone levels.
mikea
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Bro imho i wouldnt waste my first cycle on Anavar, because you get only one.
Also i would do less cardio(fasted after wake up would be best), and hit the weigths hard 3xa week after 20-30min aerobic.
Substract calories a bit(not that much), and how about rather throw in some clen or ephedrine to bump things up? Green tea is also great!
I wouldnt cut with aas if you have never use before, anavar is great if your lucky to find the good stuff, but its again imho very pricey and not worth it!
Also i would do less cardio(fasted after wake up would be best), and hit the weigths hard 3xa week after 20-30min aerobic.
Substract calories a bit(not that much), and how about rather throw in some clen or ephedrine to bump things up? Green tea is also great!
I wouldnt cut with aas if you have never use before, anavar is great if your lucky to find the good stuff, but its again imho very pricey and not worth it!
mikea
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I have always believed this:
Nelson Montana: ´´We see them every day. We'll see them again. But every now and then I feel it's important to remind people that steroids are NOT fat burning drugs.
Var, Winstrol (winny) and PRIMO are thought to burn fat because they don't cause water retention so you look leaner.
Most studies on steroids that show a reduction in fat is due to a greater LBM%. That just means you have a better muscle/fat ratio -- not less fat.
True, having more muscle will help burn more fat -- which is why I believe weight training blows away aerobics in terms of its fat burning benefits (but that's another story). At any rate, the difference is negligable.
Anyone who uses steroids to get leaner is just using an excuse to use steroids. People like being on gear while dieting because...well, they like being on gear. The anti-catabolic properties are overrated -- as are the catabolic properties of dietng.
You can do whatever you want, but let's not pretend. Steroids are growth drugs -- not diet aids. Deal with it. ´´
mikea
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Yes i have done Var only cycle with human grade Anavar (var), and imho its not that great to be honest.
Are you looking to make those fat reductions permanent? If so, then slow is the only way to go unless yoyo effect is what your looking for.
Plus if you want to gain at the same time(muscle and/or strentgh) then that is gonna slow things a lot!
How much under maintenence are you taking cals? And at what ratio?
Trust me bro, you dont need gear, dont let anybody fool you, AAS are not a short cut. Read the post also what i put on from Nelson Montana.
Are you looking to make those fat reductions permanent? If so, then slow is the only way to go unless yoyo effect is what your looking for.
Plus if you want to gain at the same time(muscle and/or strentgh) then that is gonna slow things a lot!
How much under maintenence are you taking cals? And at what ratio?
Trust me bro, you dont need gear, dont let anybody fool you, AAS are not a short cut. Read the post also what i put on from Nelson Montana.
mr8888
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You make some good points again , thanks again for the info , I guess I gotta weigh my options and keep on my current path.
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