Rookie needs Advice and Green Light

[Joe.Black]

Hello everyone, glade to have finally joined this forum been doing my research on here for the past two months preparing for my First cycle. Educating myself on everything I need to know about anabolic steroids was my first priority( You guys made it pretty easy with already alot of good threads out there). I really want to get this right first time. So here is my story I'm an amateur pro kite-surfer been doing it since a very young age and for the past 3 years been participating in international competitions. I would say that I'm in good shape but would like that extra edge for both aesthetics and performance. I have a tournament coming up on the 9th of December in Australia and would like to know if I will see good gains if I start a 6 week cycle right now. I know that training and sleep are important while cycling, but its your Diet that will be key factor on how successful you'll be on reaching your goal.


My stats:
Age: 26 year old
Height: 5'11
Weight: 161 lbs (BMI: 22.1)
Body fat index: 11%( Measured about two months ago) Very Fast metabolism
Training History: Very athletic my whole life played all kinds of varsity Sports. Been working out hard for the past 2 years 4 months ON and 1 month rest then repeat. ( Doing alot of cadio and some moderate lifting). I've seen good natural gains over the past 2 years with no real efforts on my diet except always trying to eat healthy.

Cycle of 6 weeks:
500mg Test Enanthate per week (GenShi Labs) Pinning Tuesday 250mg and Saturday 250mg
50mg D-bol ED for 6 weeks of cycle (25mg morning/25mg evening)
0.25mg Arimidex ED throughout cycle

PCT:300mg Clomid for one day, then 50mg per day for 4 weeks beginning (2 weeks after last injection of Test enanthate)
I understand that everyone's body reacts differently to steroids but am I likely to see any side effects on this cycle.

Please let me know what you guys think, your advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you.

 

[Megatron28]

Get lab work run prior to starting a cycle to establish your baseline. Make sure you include:

LH
FSH
Total Test
Thyroid Panel
CBC
Metabolic Panel

Looks like you could still pack some weight onto your frame if you continued training and ate more/better without the use of steroids. How many calories are you eating a day?

 

[Joe.Black]

Hi Megatron, thank you for your reply I will definitely look into getting some lab work done before cycling but I dont think ill have any nasty surprises there since I did do some blood work a couple of weeks back and everything was normal.(I've posted my results but I really dont know if they are relevant, the highlighted numbers are my results and the rest is the mean). In regards to my Diet for the past month i've been trying to bulk up so my daily intake of calories is higher that usual around the 2500-3000 calories but I know there is much room for improvement.

FIRST EXAMINATION BASIC SCREENING
COMPLETE BLOOD COUNT
RED BLOOD CELL COUNT 4.71 3.8 - 4.8 mil/***956;L
HEMOGLOBIN 14.8 12.0 - 15.0 g/dL
HEMATOCRIT 43.5 36.0 - 46.0 %
MEAN CORPUSCULAR VOL 92.5 83.0 - 101.0 fL
MEAN CORPUSCULAR HGB. 31.5 27.0 - 32.0 pg
MEAN CORPUSCULAR HEMOGLOBIN
CONCENTRATION 34.1
31.5 - 34.5 g/dL
RED CELL DISTRIBUTION WIDTH 13.1 11.6 - 14.0 %
PLATELET COUNT 246 150 - 410 thou/***956;L
MEAN PLATELET VOLUME 8.1 6.8 - 10.9 fL
WHITE BLOOD CELL COUNT 5.8 4.0 - 10.0 thou/***956;L
WBC DIFFERENTIAL COUNT
SEGMENTED NEUTROPHILS 52 40 - 80 %
EOSINOPHILS 02 1 - 6 %
LYMPHOCYTES 35 20 - 40 %
MONOCYTES 09 2 - 10 %
BASOPHILS 02 0 - 2 %
BAND (STAB) CELLS 00 %
METAMYELOCYTE 00 %
CALCIUM, SERUM
CALCIUM 9.1 8.5 - 10.1 mg/dL
CREATININE, SERUM
CREATININE 1.0 0.6 - 1.1 mg/dL
URIC ACID, SERUM
URIC ACID 6.8 2.6 - 7.2 mg/dL
ASPARTATE AMINOTRANSFERASE, SERUM
ASPARTATE AMINOTRANSFERASE (AST/SGOT) 35 15 - 37 U/L




ALANINE AMINOTRANSFERASE (ALT/SGPT) 42 30 - 65 U/L
ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE, SERUM
ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE 89 50 - 136 U/L
BILIRUBIN, TOTAL, SERUM
BILIRUBIN, TOTAL H 2.00 0.00 - 1.00 mg/dL
TOTAL PROTEIN, SERUM
TOTAL PROTEIN 7.9 6.4 - 8.2 g/dL
TOTAL TSH, SERUM
TSH 1.35 0.35 - 5.50 ***956;IU/mL
GLUCOSE RANDOM, PLASMA
GLUCOSE RANDOM, PLASMA 85.0 70.0 - 140.0 mg/dL
ACT PARTIAL THROMBO PLASTIN TIME
(APTT), PLASMA
aPTT 35.8 30.0 - 43.0 SECONDS
aPTT CONTROL 34.7 30.0 - 43.0 SECONDS
PROTHROMBIN TIME, PLASMA
PROTHROMBIN TIME (PT) 13.2 12.0 - 14.0 SECONDS
INTERNATIONAL NORMALIZED RATIO (INR) 1.01 0.80 - 1.10 RATIO
MEAN NORMAL PT 13.1 SECONDS
CREATINE KINASE (CPK), SERUM
CREATINE KINASE H 561 21 - 215 U/L
ERYTHRO SEDIMENTATION RATE, BLOOD
SEDIMENTATION RATE (ESR) 10 0 - 20 mm at 1 hr
GAMMA GLUTAMYL TRANSFERASE, SERUM
GAMMA GLUTAMYL TRANSFERASE (GGT) 36 5 - 85 U/L
BLOOD UREA NITROGEN, SERUM
BLOOD UREA NITROGEN 10 6 - 20 mg/dL
ELECTROLYTES (NA/K/CL), SERUM
SODIUM 138 136 - 145 mmol/L
POTASSIUM 4.70 3.50 - 5.10 mmol/L

 

[CptFKNplanet]

Agree with Megatron on this. You have plenty of room to grow naturally. You even said in your OP that you haven't been too strict on diet. Tighten up your diet, possibly even look into hiring 3J. He's got a banner over on the right side, and you can find him in the diet forum. Spend your money there for now. Save AAS for later.

 

[Joe.Black]

Hey CptFKNplanet, thanks for your input I totally agree with you and megatron, that I still have good potential for growth without the use of AAS but with diet and exercise alone. Unfortunately being human I want to see results and reach my goal a little faster specially that I have a career changing tournament coming up in december. I've already decided on starting my first cycle, I just came on here to making sure i'm doing it right and to get some advise from the veterans. I'll differently PM 3J and see if he can help me set up a Diet for my cycle. Thank you

 

[CptFKNplanet]

Hey CptFKNplanet, thanks for your input I totally agree with you and megatron, that I still have good potential for growth without the use of AAS but with diet and exercise alone. Unfortunately being human I want to see results and reach my goal a little faster specially that I have a career changing tournament coming up in december. I've already decided on starting my first cycle, I just came on here to making sure i'm doing it right and to get some advise from the veterans. I'll differently PM 3J and see if he can help me set up a Diet for my cycle. Thank you

I know how you feel bud. Unfortunately 6 weeks isn't really going to do much for you though. Check out the Cycling for Beginners sticky, it will tell you everything you need to know. Post up a cycle layout, including PCT and I'm sure you'll get some responses.

 

[Joe.Black]

I know how you feel bud. Unfortunately 6 weeks isn't really going to do much for you though. Check out the Cycling for Beginners sticky, it will tell you everything you need to know. Post up a cycle layout, including PCT and I'm sure you'll get some responses.

Cycle of 6 weeks:
500mg Test Enanthate per week (GenShi Labs) Pinning Tuesday 250mg and Saturday 250mg
50mg D-bol ED for 6 weeks of cycle (25mg morning/25mg evening)
0.25mg Arimidex ED throughout cycle

PCT:300mg Clomid for one day, then 50mg per day for 4 weeks beginning (2 weeks after last injection of Test enanthate)

 

[BigRussT]

First off if your going to run Test E you need to run atleast 12wk. You also need some aromasin or adex for Estro control. Your pct is good but you need to add nolvadex in with the clomid. Also run some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) if you can get your hands on it 500ius wkly split. Your cycle should look something like this.

1-12 Test E 500mg wkly
3-12 Stane .5ml ED adjust if needed
13-14 Stane .5ml ED or whatever dose working for you
14-18 clomid 70/30/30/30 nolva 40/20/20/20

 

[CptFKNplanet]

Cycle of 6 weeks:
500mg Test Enanthate per week (GenShi Labs) Pinning Tuesday 250mg and Saturday 250mg
50mg D-bol ED for 6 weeks of cycle (25mg morning/25mg evening)
0.25mg Arimidex ED throughout cycle

PCT:300mg Clomid for one day, then 50mg per day for 4 weeks beginning (2 weeks after last injection of Test enanthate)

As was said above test E needs to be ran 12 weeks. Start the Adex at .25mg EOD, if sides start flaring or your mid cycle bloods come back with high E2 then up it to ED. Also as was said above, add Nolva to PCT 40/20/20/20. There is no need for such a high dose of Clomid on day one keep it 50/50/25/25 or somewhere along those lines. Definitely look into picking up Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) as well. Most of all make sure your diet is in check, and hit that shit hard.

 

[Joe.Black]

Thanks guys really appreciate the feedback after some consideration and more research I think im just going to run the Dbol for 6 weeks. And save the test-e for my second cycle.

Cycle
Dosage: 50mg Every day (25mg morning/25mg before workout)
Duration of cycle: 6 weeks followed by thorough PCT
1 Tablet of Liv52 ED

Post Cycle Therapy
To commence day after final Dianabol tablet is taken.
Nolvadex: 60 mg Day one
40 mg Following 10 days
20 mg Following 10 days

Clomid: 100 mg first 3 Days
50 mg following 10 days

Manifestation of Estrogenic side effects during cycle:
20mg of Nolvadex everyday until symptoms disappear.

The PCT is something I'm fairly unsure of so I appreciate input here, I think this should be sufficient from what I've gathered but if you can offer me any advice from experience I would welcome it with open arms Will Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) be needed for this cycle?

 

[Megatron28]

Thanks guys really appreciate the feedback after some consideration and more research I think im just going to run the Dbol for 6 weeks. And save the test-e for my second cycle.

Cycle
Dosage: 50mg Every day (25mg morning/25mg before workout)
Duration of cycle: 6 weeks followed by thorough PCT
1 Tablet of Liv52 ED

Post Cycle Therapy
To commence day after final Dianabol tablet is taken.
Nolvadex: 60 mg Day one
40 mg Following 10 days
20 mg Following 10 days

Clomid: 100 mg first 3 Days
50 mg following 10 days

Manifestation of Estrogenic side effects during cycle:
20mg of Nolvadex everyday until symptoms disappear.

The PCT is something I'm fairly unsure of so I appreciate input here, I think this should be sufficient from what I've gathered but if you can offer me any advice from experience I would welcome it with open arms Will Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) be needed for this cycle?

That sounds like Bad Idea Jeans. You really need to read the stickies and listen to the adve you are getting.

 

[DreDay187]

I hope it was a typo but why do you take an entire month off training every 4months???

 

[Joe.Black]

I hope it was a typo but why do you take an entire month off training every 4months???

Thanks for pointing that out DreDay187 it was a typo. I meant to say week..

 

[Joe.Black]

The Problem:
When you run a Dbol only cycle, over the period of a few weeks you can easily gain a lot of mass and strength. The mass will be dependent on the food you eat; if you're in a caloric deficit there won't be a lot that happened size wise. On Dianabol you will grow and see your strength skyrocket. The problem with a Dbol only cycle is once you stop, your gains are going to rapidly disappear; maybe just as fast as you gained them.

With a Dbol only cycle, while you will make great gains your body won't be able to maintain them; there's been no time for accustoming.

The Solution:

I understand a Dbol only cycle is a bad idea on the premise of maintaining any gains. For this reason, the total cycle must extend past Dbol use; in-fact, the initial Dbol use should be conjoined with another anabolic steroid. For example, your cycle will start with Dianabol and an injectable steroid; you will complete six weeks of both and then continue the injectable steroid for another six weeks or so. For this purpose, you will find nothing better than a simple testosterone compound; you will gain the size and strength you desire and with a cycle that carries an extreme high level of toleration for the healthy adult male who supplements responsibly.

The Exception:
As we said at the very beginning, when it comes to a Dbol only cycle we can make an exception to the rule, but only one. A Dbol only cycle can be acceptable for a performance athlete; we're not talking about competitive bodybuilders or gym rats, gyms rats representing the majority of steroid users; we're talking about ball players, fighters, power lifters and everything in-between (Kite Surfer ). With a Dbol only cycle, this individual will gain a rapid and extensive buildup in strength, and as strength is the end all be all of most athletic pursuits he will be all the more effective. For this purpose, an athlete might find six weeks of use prior to an important competition to be worthy of consideration; sure, the gains will go away after he discontinues, but he will have already reached his end goal. That said, if mass is an issue you need to avoid this may not be the best steroid for your athletic pursuit; however, it is the only acceptable Dbol only cycle option.

This is what i'm after right now due to my timeline

 

[DreDay187]

Thanks for pointing that out DreDay187 it was a typo. I meant to say week..

My suggestion to you is learn, if you don't already know, how to program deloads into your training. Taking a week off after an arbitrary amount of time, 4months in this case, is not optimal. You deloads are when you are close to over training or plateauing. A week off is to heal a nagging injury or get over some serious flu or sickness. Taking a week off deconditions you and sets you slightly backwards since CNS and motor pathway efficiency will have decreased. A deload is when you lower intensity and/or volume in a systematic manner to allow fitness levels to increase and fatigue levels to drop. Hope that makes sense.

This is what i'm after right now due to my timeline

I think you need to read better articles no offense brother. That article is a joke. Is it the entire thing or just part of the original?