Second course - Thoughts and Advice.

[moonslifting]

Age: 25
height: 6'00"
Weight: 72kg
Body Fat: 4%

I have been weight training from around the age of 18, I took my first and only other course of steroids (5 week course of Test prop with nolva/chlomid pct) at the age of 21 which got me from my plateau'd weight of 80kg up to 85kg and I managed to maintain at around 83kg. At 22 I became an amateur boxer, where gaining weight was was no longer necessary and in order to excel I purposely dropped my weight down to my current 72kg, with a fighting weight of 70kg. I have now given up boxing and want to get back up to my original weight, and my final goal will be to reach the 90kg mark. In order to give me an initial boost Im going to run a second course, please give me your advice and opinions on what I believe to be an ideal second course. Thanks in advance.

Total 12 week course + pct.

Week 1-2 - 30mg dbol per day
Weeks 1-8 - 2ml per week Deca 250
Weeks 1-10 - 2ml per week Test 400
Weeks 10-12 30mg dbol per day

Start PCT day after last dbol tab.

I will run this with a strict high protein diet, with high calorie intake, as my main goal is to gain size, not necessarily stay lean. This will be with an average 5 gym sessions per week.

Any opinions and advice welcome. Thanks for reading

 

[mich29]

I'd say do a natural bulk first see how much muscle memory you can regain then think about the cycle also for your cycle use cycle support Mr supps tudca is made for this purpose

 

[moonslifting]

Would milk thistle be adequate? I've never heard of tudca or know anyone that has used it.

 

[juced_porkchop]

Total 12 week course + pct.

Week 1-4 - 30mg dbol per day
Weeks 1-12 - 1.5ml per week Deca 250
Weeks 1-14 - 1.5ml per week Test 400

^ what I rec.

dont bother with deca for 8wks, r dbol less than 4 IMO

 

[juced_porkchop]

Total 12 week course + pct.

Week 1-4 - 30mg dbol per day
Weeks 1-12 - 1.5ml per week Deca 250
Weeks 1-14 - 1.5ml per week Test 400

^ what I rec.

dont bother with deca for 8wks, r dbol less than 4 IMO

 

[moonslifting]

Total 12 week course + pct.

Week 1-4 - 30mg dbol per day
Weeks 1-12 - 1.5ml per week Deca 250
Weeks 1-14 - 1.5ml per week Test 400

^ what I rec.

dont bother with deca for 8wks, r dbol less than 4 IMO

Thanks for your response:

My test and deca are in 1ml vial so I can't really take them in halves.
I've read its good to run dbol at the end of your cycle to help keep gains and strength?
what do you mean by 'r dbol less than 4 IMO' ??

 

[tbonexl]

Don't run dbol less then 4 weeks. Your better off using it at the beginning of your cycle as a kick start. Dbol is known to add strengh and pack on water. You don't really want that at the end of your cycle. You didn't mention an ai. With dbol and test, you'll likely need one. Pork chop is right about your cycle length. 8 weeks of deca is atleast 4 weeks too short. You want to run test atleast 2 weeks longer.

Your using gear as a crutch to gain weight though. Just up the cals and bulk before gear. You'll probably be more satisfied with the results...

 

[moonslifting]

Don't run dbol less then 4 weeks. Your better off using it at the beginning of your cycle as a kick start. Dbol is known to add strengh and pack on water. You don't really want that at the end of your cycle. You didn't mention an ai. With dbol and test, you'll likely need one. Pork chop is right about your cycle length. 8 weeks of deca is atleast 4 weeks too short. You want to run test atleast 2 weeks longer.

Your using gear as a crutch to gain weight though. Just up the cals and bulk before gear. You'll probably be more satisfied with the results...

Ok, so you reckon I should run dbol for first 5/6 weeks?
No, I don't have an AI. I've read about AIFM but I don't know where I can source it from. Is it something you can get online?
I have 20ml of deca and 20ml of test, If I run deca for 10 weeks I won't have enough test to continue for an extra 2 weeks. Do you think its best I buy some more?

 

[bigben66]

Listen man, no point in running a cycle half-arsed....

Listen to the advice, run the deca and the test for the longer duration, buy some Adex (AI) - run the D'bol weeks 1-4 as a kicker.

Juced has kindly mapped out a great 2nd cycle for you... add the Adex and you're good to go.

But like others have mentioned, don't bother running the drugs unless the diet is dialled in also!