Second cycle suggestions required please...

[Djw]

Hi all,

I've just stumbled onto this site and I thought it would be a great place ,by the looks, to ask for some advice.


I am looking to run a second cycle and am after some thoughts/suggestions as to which way to go.

First cycle history-

1-4 Dbol 40mg
2-4 250 mg test E
4-12 500mg test E

Nov/Clo PCT

I gained a total of around 8kgs at the end of this cycle to basically reach the heaviest body weight I have ever been

Finishing stats
weight = 83kgs
BF =8%
Height 177cm
Training 4-5 times per week
Eating clean with a high protein intake.

During the cycle the Dbol was a massive initial boost to my body weight once starting and there was a little bloating but nothing extreme.

I would greatly appreciate any help/ suggestions of what to run for my 2nd cycle.

Cheers

DJW

 

[frank.tb]

Age and have you had any blood work?

 

[Djw]

Sorry, I am 38.

No blood work(not sure where to get it done around where I am, rural area) but everything feels as though it is operating as normal...

 

[frank.tb]

Sorry, I am 38.

No blood work(not sure where to get it done around where I am, rural area) but everything feels as though it is operating as normal...

Cancer patients say that too my friend...only blood work can tell you that brother...
I would recommend blood work.
What kind of cycle are you looking for? Another gain cycle?

 

[Ocdude]

I don't think bloodwork is completely necessary. It's nice to know what your baseline is prior to starting so you can make sure that you recover fully, but feeling normal for the avg guy is a good indicator. I know plenty of guys that cycle and haven't once gotten labs done, it's just a different mind set.

As for 2nd cycle options, it depends on goals... In general you could just run test e again at 500-600mg a week and add anavar at the end.
Bulk could be test/deca or test/EQ

 

[frank.tb]

I'd stay away from EQ brother...blood pressure is a bitch and your blood will be like mud...
Mast would be a safer choice for the same benefits in my opinion Ocdude...

 

[J_Fox23]

I would keep the test at 500mg the whole cycle.

 

[Ocdude]

I'd stay away from EQ brother...blood pressure is a bitch and your blood will be like mud...
Mast would be a safer choice for the same benefits in my opinion Ocdude...

Yeah I can see your point there... EQ is a bigger commitment for sure (especially since it wants 16 weeks of use) And some would call it old school and outdated. Although I do like what I've read about it... Just a compound you have to watch the sides on, and donating blood and having lab work while on it is more important.

 

[DreDay187]

I don't think bloodwork is completely necessary. It's nice to know what your baseline is prior to starting so you can make sure that you recover fully, but feeling normal for the avg guy is a good indicator. I know plenty of guys that cycle and haven't once gotten labs done, it's just a different mind set.

As for 2nd cycle options, it depends on goals... In general you could just run test e again at 500-600mg a week and add anavar at the end.
Bulk could be test/deca or test/EQ

I think if you're using testosterone exogenously outside a doctors care blood work is mandatory for cycling safely, even practiced doctors still run blood work bc everyone's response to the same stimulus, in this case AAS, will be different. All AAS increases RBCs and hematocrit not just EQ so what if someone started out at a Hct of 53% and didn't realize it? They could very well be feeling fine at even higher levels but the risk of random clots and other sides are much more likely. Your also want to know liver values to see if you're taking care of your liver properly, and so many more reasons. How would you know you've fully recovered if not for blood tests? You can feel fine even with lower testosterone than before you started cycling and never know it. Cycle again and the issues just compound themselves. If you want to cycle smartly, safely, and healthy, I would argue bloods are mandatory.

 

[Djw]

I don't think bloodwork is completely necessary. It's nice to know what your baseline is prior to starting so you can make sure that you recover fully, but feeling normal for the avg guy is a good indicator. I know plenty of guys that cycle and haven't once gotten labs done, it's just a different mind set.

As for 2nd cycle options, it depends on goals... In general you could just run test e again at 500-600mg a week and add anavar at the end.
Bulk could be test/deca or test/EQ

There are a few reasons why I have not had the blood work done. Live in a remote area and there are no doctors within a few hundred kilometres and secondly the doctor that I do see is a family doctor so how does one approach him and explain what I want done and why?

I am looking for another build cycle and can either just run the same as my first cycle or alternatively some different version with similar or better results. Obviously I know the end results are only equal to the time effort and nutrition put in burning and after the cycle which I think I am pretty much on top of. My first cycle was just over 4 months ago now and I have only lost just over 2lbs from where I was when the cycle finished.

Thanks again in advance guys.

 

[smittiot]

I'm going to run test e/deca on my 2nd cycle here soon. Going to do 500/300.
At 38 the deca might be good for joints as well during the run?