second test only cycle with front load!

[ChickenMayBite]

Hey, so the time for my second cycle is finaly here.
Stats: 23 yo, 172 cm, 74k, 10% bf.
Just finished my cutting, got to 10% bf to begin with.
First cycle was 500 mg test e gained 10k kept 9k
second:
For the first 2 weeks im gona front load.
Week 1-2: test E 1000mg a week
Week 3-16: test E 700mg a week
Week 3-16: hcg 500 iu per week
week 1-16: 0.25mg adex EOD
week 12-16: tbol 60mg ED (not sure i'll take it)
Pct: (2 weeks after last injection)
Week 19-22: clomid 50 mg ED
nolva 40 40 20 20
would you change anything? What do you think about front loading? And the cycle in total
Thanks!

 

[soldier74]

Nice. I just started similar cycle. Front loaded 1000mg first week, now 600mg/wk. Also taking 60mg/day dbol. 2nd cycle too. Kepp us posted on how it goes man.

 

[Lift-on]

Unless I misses somthing it looks good. Good luck with it.

 

[Norsegod]

I would use prop to "front load"for the first 3 weeks, but your way will suffice.

 

[KingBF]

im pretty sure Austenite made a thread about how to correctly frontload.......stand by

 

[KingBF]

I cant find the thread but basically to sum it up proper frontloading requires a lot more than you think. half life of test e is about 10.5 days. so if you shoot 1000mg on one day only...in 10.5 days 500mg would be metabolized and 500mg would be left and in 10.5 days it would also have the same half life soooo. 250mg would metabolize and 250mg would be left.

basically if your going to frontload shoot 2000mg of test e on day 1 then continue with your normal pinning schedule IE. E3D, EOD

 

[ChickenMayBite]

2000mg of test E in 1 injection? sounds abit risky..
+ im not sure my ass will like the idea
What if i take 1500mg first week split to 2 injections? Will it be better?

 

[KingBF]

2000mg of test E in 1 injection? sounds abit risky..
+ im not sure my ass will like the idea
What if i take 1500mg first week split to 2 injections? Will it be better?

you don't put it all in one needle. you have to use like 4 different spots haha. so you pin 4 times on the first day and your total should be 2000mg

 

[Medhead]

In the words of Bill Roberts: To achieve the planned steady state levels, the formula is always the same: inject on day 1 an amount which is the sum of what the usual injection would be plus the sum of what the total injections would be over the half-life of the particular drug.

So if you are going to be injecting 350mg 2x/week, you'd want to frontload with 350+700= 1050mg. This is using 7 days as the half life of Test E.

 

[ChickenMayBite]

So if i get it right on the first week i'll have only 1 injection of about 1.5-2 the normal dose which should be about 1000-1500 mg test?
Btw isnt that alot to begin with? Jumping fom 0 test to about 1000mg test? Will the body accept it? And isnt it dangerous

 

[STAUNCHED427]

I would drop the tbol for something like a solid dose of anavar or forget frontloading with the test and use tbol as a kickstarter, but even better dbol over tbol.

I cant find the thread but basically to sum it up proper frontloading requires a lot more than you think. half life of test e is about 10.5 days. so if you shoot 1000mg on one day only...in 10.5 days 500mg would be metabolized and 500mg would be left and in 10.5 days it would also have the same half life soooo. 250mg would metabolize and 250mg would be left.

basically if your going to frontload shoot 2000mg of test e on day 1 then continue with your normal pinning schedule IE. E3D, EOD

Yep pretty much.

 

[ChickenMayBite]

so week 1 will be: 1500mg test e (1 injection)
week 2-16 700mg test e (2 injections)
am i right?
and what about the adex? should i add more on first week?

 

[STAUNCHED427]

I don't advocate front loading, an oral or shorter ester is more suitable IMO, but if you want to frontload properly using enanthate I'd go 2000mg split over two injections the first week, then proceed with 700mg per week.

Allthough 700mg test a week shouldn't take that long before you start feeling it, come 2-3rd week.

 

[ChickenMayBite]

ok now im confuse
medhead and kingbf both told me to inject all at once - 1 injections lests say today (2000mg)
and you say i should inject half today half in 3 days - 2 injections (each injection with 1000mg)

 

[KingBF]

if your worried about frontloading to much buy dbol and forget about it. I have frontloaded before

 

[ChickenMayBite]

if your worried about frontloading to much buy dbol and forget about it. I have frontloaded before

I'll take my first injection with 1500mg test then w8 a week and inject 350 E4D
right? first week 1 injection and the rest with 2 injection as usual

 

[STAUNCHED427]

Split the first week up in 2x doses just like you would with every other week. You seem like the impatient type dude, get some dbol to kickstart or frontload properly... alternatively develop some patience.

 

[KingBF]

I'll take my first injection with 1500mg test then w8 a week and inject 350 E4D
right? first week 1 injection and the rest with 2 injection as usual

first inject lets say Monday...2000mg of test e.....wait four days inject 350mg of test e.... wait four days inject 350mg of test e...do you get it yet?

 

[STAUNCHED427]

first inject lets say Monday...2000mg of test e.....wait four days inject 350mg of test e.... wait four days inject 350mg of test e...do you get it yet?

That would be proper frontloading protocol

 

[Medhead]

What I posted is THE correct way to frontload. Just randomly deciding to go with 1500mg as your first injection isn't the way to go about it; you use basic math and half-lives to determine the exact amount needed so that after the first week you have stable, peak blood concentrations instead of wasting time waiting for it to crawl up to your desired level.

For a first cycle I wouldn't be too concerned with frontloading, but in theory it shouldn't effect your body in any negative ways relative to not frontloading since you'd eventually reach the same testosterone level. It just does so quicker. You should read up on what frontloading actually is before posting about implementing the technique into your cycle.