Seeking Info About Halo

[AnonEagle]

For clarity, this is about Halotestin (Fluoxymesterone), not Anabolic Halo by MuscleTech.

Everything I have heard about this comment really interests me. However, the only reputable articles I have read about Halo are its profile here: Anabolic Steroids - Steroid.com / Anabolic Review Forums and here: Halotestin (fluoxymesterone)


First, a little background:
To say it briefly, I am currently playing football at some school. Several months ago last year I introduced myself and my situation here, which is basically that compared to level of my competition, I was far behind most of these absolute genetic freaks in the weight room, despite how hard I had been working.; particularly that damn bench press. I am far from having good genetics.. my frame is naturally sooo skinny. wrists where my fingers overlap by a quarter of an inch, etc.. Since posting then and now, I ran one cycle of Test E 583mg/W for 11 weeks (actually just finished, and will start post cycle therapy (pct) in about a week).

I did make nice gains from my Test cycle. And I plan on taking the full time off of cycle length + post cycle therapy (pct). I was hoping to be able to fit in two cycles in the year, but this timeframe puts me only a couple weeks before camp before I can cycle again. I really don't want to run a cycle of Test and come off in the middle of season, because I can't afford to play like a pussy for a few weeks in the middle of the season.

Now what drew me to this chem, and what vaguely what I was hoping to get from it:
I was really hoping to run it for a couple weeks before camp and maybe through only the first week of camp (no more than 3 or 4 weeks total, at a low dosage). I was really hoping that this would give me one last boost in strength before heading into camp, without too much of a shutdown afterward.

Everything I read about this compound is that it is great for strength, and doesn't aromatize, thus wouldn't cause the estrogenic side effects test would. The liver and hair side effects I can live with.

Now, the main question I still have at this point:

I constantly see criticism of an oral only cycle, which I have always believed in as well. But would such a small cycle of halo only follow this rule?

Definitely would VERY MUCH appreciate any studies, scholarly material, or good articles about Halo as well.

Also, any good personal anecdotes on using Halo, especially for a similar purpose (athletic strength)?

I was planning on doing a post cycle therapy (pct) for it, not sure what it would consist of exactly, but i was hoping that when I come off the short cycle that I wouldn't feel like TOO much crap, or TOO much of a pussy? can anyone confirm/reject?

This cycle is not for the purpose of putting on any size, that's what the rest of this offseason is for. And I am aware of the drug testing situation and it is under control.

My stats:
6'4''
currently 255-260, will probably play around 250.
Defensive End
BF%.. dunno but not very lean. when it comes preseason time I will have it exactly where I want it.. somewhat typical BF for a bigger end though if you watch much football.
Bench ~270
Squat ~440
Power Clean: at least 280, but haven't been doing it much lately, been doing a lot more snatches

Thank you,
AE

 

[DADAWG]

i wont go into halos harshness since you say you understand it.real halo is hard to find a 4 week cycle by itself will shut you down and do little for long term strength imo.4 weeks of halo added at the beggining of a full cycle would be another story.


by your own admission you dont have the genetics your competition does , are you really willing to risk all to try to catch up with them ?

 

[AnonEagle]

i wont go into halos harshness since you say you understand it.real halo is hard to find a 4 week cycle by itself will shut you down and do little for long term strength imo.4 weeks of halo added at the beggining of a full cycle would be another story.

do you have first hand experience? if so i'd still love you hear it. i have no problem hearing your own stories on its harshness if you care to tell. in my research it seemed the harshest sides were on the liver and other organs. and then hair loss. i do have good hair genetics and losing hair wouldn't bother me too much. and as always, the risk to your endocrine system.

by your own admission you dont have the genetics your competition does , are you really willing to risk all to try to catch up with them ?

yes. before i did anything, i asked myself this, "am I willing to live the rest of my life with the worst possible side effects of whatever compounds i do?" i decided yes to this for Testosterone, and it *seems* that I would be willing to live with what could happen from Halo, at least from what I've read. i decided that I would be okay with having to do testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and Rogaine for the rest of my life, maybe have organ problems at a slightly younger age, etc etc, if it meant doing everything i can for these 5 years of my life. i dont want to ever feel like i didn't do everything i could to get there.
so in short, the answer to your question is yes.

appreciate the reply Dawg. any more feedback is greatly appreciated from anyone.

 

[DADAWG]

if your going to run it anyway then run it with a full cyle. even if you drop the dose down to 200 mg a week untill after camp so you dont come off in the middle of things.

 

[Flip TRT]

Hey bro,
dawg, if anyone, definitely knows his shit about powerlifting type drugs like halo. I have personally ran halo twice in my life, 6 week cycles, 40mg/day. I'm 5'11, 265lbs and about 10-11% bf give or take. If i am understanding dawg correctly, he is saying it would be better to use at the beginning cause it would help your strength gains heading into season. Very true. My thinking is a bit different though. When i used halo, i was a monster, a complete animal, and i dont just mean size wise or strength. I was a complete bastard to everyone and anyone and halo is the only drug with which i have ever had noticable personality changes. If i were back in my football playing days i would have loved using the stuff. Imo, if you are half way into the season, chances are, especially playing end, that you are gonna be banged up a bit. Running halo at 40mg/day, if it has the same effect on you as it did me, would not only help you stay ahead of the pack, but bro, you will be a fucking animal. I say this for your own safety...... It will have a terrible negative on your personality. On the field you will fucking be unstoppable. You'll be the meanest s.o.b. Out there and not even know why. When i used it, i hated the fucking world and on the field that is the mentality that will take you to the top. Its off the field that you would really need to know how to keep yourself in check. If you do ues it, i would advise that you make sure to have a good buddy around you most of the time that wouldnt be afraid to put ur ass in check if needed. Good luck, playa!

 

[AnonEagle]

if your going to run it anyway then run it with a full cyle. even if you drop the dose down to 200 mg a week untill after camp so you dont come off in the middle of things.

i didn't mean to come across like i've already bought it and WILL be doing it. this whole thread was just speculation on my part about what seemed like a great compound for my situation. that's why I came here, to get experts opinions on it just like yours. if you think i would be better off not running it, i would really like to know, or any compounds that could be better for my situation.

maybe i was a little unclear on the camp thing though. camp directly precedes the season, so when you say to take a 200mg/W dose of prop throughout, would you suggest that for the entire season? camp starts in early august and a regular season ends in late November with a potential post season appearance after that. seems like a LONG time even to be on a trt-like dosage to me?

 

[AnonEagle]

Hey bro,
dawg, if anyone, definitely knows his shit about powerlifting type drugs like halo. I have personally ran halo twice in my life, 6 week cycles, 40mg/day. I'm 5'11, 265lbs and about 10-11% bf give or take. If i am understanding dawg correctly, he is saying it would be better to use at the beginning cause it would help your strength gains heading into season. Very true. My thinking is a bit different though. When i used halo, i was a monster, a complete animal, and i dont just mean size wise or strength. I was a complete bastard to everyone and anyone and halo is the only drug with which i have ever had noticable personality changes. If i were back in my football playing days i would have loved using the stuff. Imo, if you are half way into the season, chances are, especially playing end, that you are gonna be banged up a bit. Running halo at 40mg/day, if it has the same effect on you as it did me, would not only help you stay ahead of the pack, but bro, you will be a fucking animal. I say this for your own safety...... It will have a terrible negative on your personality. On the field you will fucking be unstoppable. You'll be the meanest s.o.b. Out there and not even know why. When i used it, i hated the fucking world and on the field that is the mentality that will take you to the top. Its off the field that you would really need to know how to keep yourself in check. If you do ues it, i would advise that you make sure to have a good buddy around you most of the time that wouldnt be afraid to put ur ass in check if needed. Good luck, playa!

thanks very much for the info chip! how did you feel once you came off? and what did you do for post cycle therapy (pct)? also did you keep the strength, or did you stack it with something?

 

[Flip TRT]

My situation is a little different. I always stay "on" year round. This may be disagreed upon by many, but i always run 11,000ius of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) every eight weeks like clock work so that i dont ever totally shut down. If i remember, i was running it with prop, tren, and anavar. When i came off i will say that i noticed a decrease in strength, thats why i suggested using it in the second half of the season. I'm not telling you to use it. I am saying that if i was playing again and i could get a beat on it and pass my drug tests(not sure what your requirements are, although it is obviously a banned substance) that i wouldnt even think twice, personally, because imo, if there was ever a drug that could throw you into the type of complete rage that would best fit a football type setting, this is it. It is extremely toxic. When you come off, expect to get the worst acne (for me was just on my back, with no scarring) that you could ever imaging. Its not an exaggeration to say that you'll have marble sized boils covering your back, maybe 30-40 at a given time. Most chicks like to pop zits, so you might even get laid out of the deal, but you will need some assistance there. And as the toxins are working their way out of your system, and your back is covered with boils, it will hurt like hell to sleep on your back at night. But, all in all, if i was playing again and could do it, i believe that from a scouting standpoint that it is a drug that truly could give you that extra step, edge, or boost that could put you on their boards if you have that kind of talent. Just dont test positive. And i don't have much knowledge or advice on that, sorry.

 

[JMB1]

I would not take halo. I was not impressed with the results.
It is also toxic as hell. Better (safer) things out there to accomplish your goals.

 

[3J]

I would not take halo. I was not impressed with the results.
It is also toxic as hell. Better (safer) things out there to accomplish your goals.

im gonna have to agree here

 

[AnonEagle]

Either of you care to enlighten me as to what these "better (safer) things out there" for me be? I take it your experiences weren't good, but what would you recommend? If anything at all that is...if you think nothing could help achieve my goal of a last boost before and upon entering camp without leaving me too much of a mess afterward i'd still like to hear your opinion. just trying to gather data still!

Thanks a ton for sharing your experience Chip!

 

[JMB1]

Anything you take will shut your nuts down
even in 3-4 weeks. Read around on here
for a PCT plan or ask around.

What you have written tells me your
understanding of oral only cycles is limited.
I would never do an oral only cycle.
You will lose whatever you gained faster
than you gained it.
Since you are "aware of the drug testing situation and it is under control". Think about 50mg of dbol ED with 50mg of T-suspension daily. You will want to be done in 4 weeks.

Either of you care to enlighten me as to what these "better (safer) things out there" for me be? I take it your experiences weren't good, but what would you recommend? If anything at all that is...if you think nothing could help achieve my goal of a last boost before and upon entering camp without leaving me too much of a mess afterward i'd still like to hear your opinion. just trying to gather data still!

Thanks a ton for sharing your experience Chip!

 

[AnonEagle]

Anything you take will shut your nuts down
even in 3-4 weeks. Read around on here
for a PCT plan or ask around.

What you have written tells me your
understanding of oral only cycles is limited.
I would never do an oral only cycle.
You will lose whatever you gained faster
than you gained it.
Since you are "aware of the drug testing situation and it is under control". Think about 50mg of dbol ED with 50mg of T-suspension daily. You will want to be done in 4 weeks.

appreciate the reply man. yes, my knowledge on orals is limited to what i read and hear; i have never done one before.

the thing that got me confused about halo, thinking that maybe it was different than what I always here about dbol and winy was this quote:

Halo is of course suppressive to your HPTA, but I´ve found that in some studies where measurements were made of serum FSH, LH, testosterone, up to 20mgs per day of Halo did not suppress them measurably (9). This could possibly indicate the use of up to 20mgs/day of Halotestin without being in any great danger of suppressing endogenous hormones.

This was cited by this study:

9. The effect of synthetic androgens on the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis in boys with constitutionally delayed growth. J Pediatr. 1979 Apr;94(4):657-62.

What worried me about doing a cycle of Test Prop or Suspension was just that after 4 weeks I was hoping i wouldn't feel like a complete piece of shit from waiting for PCT to raise my T back up from being completely shut down during season/camp. when i read that halo may not shut me down as much, that's what put me in that direction. perhaps nothing at all would be best... do you think that dbol/suspension would yield greater strength gains than halo/suspension?

 

[JMB1]

I like to think more long term about muscle growth man. This 3-4 week cycle
just sounds bad to me. Here's why; Anything you take oral mentioned above
is gonna shut you down. Then you will have the "metabolic lag feeling" during PCT
and after wards which seems to be your chief concern.
Doing a cycle is not to your advantage right now.
You said your BF was high. You could take some clen or ECA for 3-4 weeks.
I'm pretty sure halo is the culprit for the one and only time I've pissed blood.

 

[RJ]

IMO, Halo should only be used by competitive PLERs and BBers. And even then sparingly.

It sounds like you are looking for something that will not shut you down but give you explosive gains to help you stand out or at least blend in with your fellow players. Unfortunately there is no such drug.

My advice would be to continue to advance using moderate amounts of AAS doses. If you play football I would stay away from anything that decreases collagen synthesis and keep yourself healthy.

You may think you have made the right decision, but growing too fast and getting too strong will have more negative effects in the long run than positive.

I like the idea of doing like one good, maybe even longer than normal cycle of Test/Deca each year. You gotta eat like no tomorrow good clean WHOLE foods, and you will grow. Keep your PLYO stuff going strong and you will get there. Not sure what stage of competition you are in, and I'm sure its not what you wanna hear, but slow, steady muscle growth is best no doubt. In any situation.

Oh yeah, Halo did make me hard as nails for my show, but did give me an edgy feeling that I really don't like when I am on. I would do Tren in its place in a minute.

 

[AnonEagle]

I like to think more long term about muscle growth man. This 3-4 week cycle
just sounds bad to me. Here's why; Anything you take oral mentioned above
is gonna shut you down. Then you will have the "metabolic lag feeling" during PCT
and after wards which seems to be your chief concern.
Doing a cycle is not to your advantage right now.
You said your BF was high. You could take some clen or ECA for 3-4 weeks.
I'm pretty sure halo is the culprit for the one and only time I've pissed blood.

hm yea i'm leaning towards not trying to sneak another cycle in before camp. about the BF% though, its only high because I want it to be, based off where my coach wants me. i dont want to do AAS to look better or anything like that, if I wasn't playing I would have no problem slowing gettin cut up all natural.

appreciate all your advice though man!

 

[AnonEagle]

My advice would be to continue to advance using moderate amounts of AAS doses. If you play football I would stay away from anything that decreases collagen synthesis and keep yourself healthy.

You may think you have made the right decision, but growing too fast and getting too strong will have more negative effects in the long run than positive.

I like the idea of doing like one good, maybe even longer than normal cycle of Test/Deca each year. You gotta eat like no tomorrow good clean WHOLE foods, and you will grow. Keep your PLYO stuff going strong and you will get there. Not sure what stage of competition you are in, and I'm sure its not what you wanna hear, but slow, steady muscle growth is best no doubt. In any situation.

Oh yeah, Halo did make me hard as nails for my show, but did give me an edgy feeling that I really don't like when I am on. I would do Tren in its place in a minute.

I did just finish one cycle of just Test E @ 583mg/W, got pretty good gains from that, so I guess next offseason I'll probably add in in some Deca or something.

I think your post is the first time I've heard about decreasing collagen synthesis... any chance you could elaborate on that, or post somewhere to read about it?

Thanks for the insight, think I do agree with what you said too..

 

[jb777]

Stats: 5'9" 190lbs. age: 38. Training off and on mostly on for 18 years. Cycles completed: 6. Subject: Halotest. I'm gonna try this shit. I am nervous and excited at the same time. I HATE needles. Once shot Test E over 10 weeks and it was great. Hated - absolutely hated injecting. Ever since only been eating tabs (dianabol and winstrol) and using nolvadex. I want to be strong as f**k! I'm going to start at 10mg ED and see how it goes / adjust accordingly. I also have on hand dianabol 50mg tabs, winstrol 50mg tabs, clenbuterol, and nolvadex for whenever or however I want to mix and match. Right now I am on nothing and haven't been on anything since November. Want to achieve my natural plateau again (whatever the f**k that is) and start the Halo in June. Not looking for advice. As far as the C17 blah blah liver toxicity save it cause I couln't care less. Just lettin you crazy crackers know what I'm up to.

 

[RJ]

I did just finish one cycle of just Test E @ 583mg/W, got pretty good gains from that, so I guess next offseason I'll probably add in in some Deca or something.

I think your post is the first time I've heard about decreasing collagen synthesis... any chance you could elaborate on that, or post somewhere to read about it?

Thanks for the insight, think I do agree with what you said too..

there are certain AAS compounds that will increase or decrease collagen sythesis. Just search around. Deca has a nice way of increasing which is why people experience less joint pain while on. Unfortunately there are more drugs out there that decrease so its important, esp for athletes.