Serious cycle advice needed.

[therealsilverback]

Ok heres the story. I am readying the stuff for my fourth cycle. Usually i have stuck to simple testosterone danabol deca kinda stuff.

Now however I want a phenomenol cycle and i want to put in the effort and go to the next level.
I am almost 23. I am 203 pounds i have excellent shoulders and arms. Actually the inly part I hate is my stomach its not flat and i have sides. I guess i could be 30 percent body fat not really sure. I am 5 feet ten. I have been body building for years now and its my life.
So basically i want a really good cutting cycle that cuts me down and defines me like I am carved out of wood. (I know diet is necessary) and at the same time size matters to me so i want to gain pean muscle and a good amount of it.

So anyone whose read this knows that we are in for making a complicated cycle.
Anyway here are a few things that are on my mind that i want to try out
(I already have 400 pills if40 mcg clen left)

Anavar
Anadrol
Oral tren
Halotestin
Turanabol (dont wanna go bald though i love my hair)

About my cycle. I can pretty much get all kinds of test. I usually use test c.
I have been hearing good stuff about tren A and i havent used it so thats a must.

But thats not it i can pretty much get anythig except hgh. I mean the usual stuf ppl use.
So please help me out and as we go through the posts we ll keep building o the cycle.
Thanks

 

[WhiteDog]

Where did you hear good stuff about Tren? wans'nt a guy named Zyzz was it?

 

[Rastas]

If you're almost 23, 203lbs and 5'10 and you think you're around 30% BF you need to learn how to eat before you touch any gear (again). Get this right. There's no need for a "complicated" cycle at your level.

 

[Rastas]

Put some current photos up.

 

[DrHouse]

Agreed with Rastas. I think there is much to be learned..

You seem like you're going to use regardless.. Test Cyp, add Anavar (var) towards the end.. Look into that cycle. There are plenty of threads created for that.

 

[therealsilverback]

Where did you hear good stuff about Tren? wans'nt a guy named Zyzz was it?

No actually I have been reading up ad they say its the bestthing around thesedays. It burns fat an gives solid gains. So i got interested in it.

 

[therealsilverback]

If you're almost 23, 203lbs and 5'10 and you think you're around 30% BF you need to learn how to eat before you touch any gear (again). Get this right. There's no need for a "complicated" cycle at your level.

Ok heres the thing
I exaggerated the 30 percent fat cus i have never really checked it and I wajted you guys to give me advice o a serious cutting cycle.
My shoulders k chest ky arms everything is huge and all carbed up I am just bad with my stomach. Like I also eat pretty clean.
I mean try to see things from my poin of view.

 

[therealsilverback]

Agreed with Rastas. I think there is much to be learned..

You seem like you're going to use regardless.. Test Cyp, add Anavar (var) towards the end.. Look into that cycle. There are plenty of threads created for that.

I was thinking of running tren and test c for like 12 weeks.
Use anadrol to kick start.
Halotestin for strength.
Clen two weeks off two weeks on throughout
And end with Anavar (var)
What do you think?

 

[Optimal]

So anyone whose read this knows that we are in for making a complicated cycle.

I was thinking of running tren and test c for like 12 weeks.
Use anadrol to kick start.
Halotestin for strength.
Clen two weeks off two weeks on throughout
And end with var
What do you think?

I think you need to realize that "complicated" is not the same as "effective."
With 4 cycles done, your stats should be much more impressive. No offense but you are doing something wrong.
At this point, the only thing that mixing & throwing a ton of drugs at the problem is going to complicate is your side effects.

If you truly consider bodybuilding to be "your life" as you mentioned in the first post, then focus on what will most benefit you in the long-term. I would suggest keeping it much more simple & learn your body, (preferably even naturally for a couple years).
What's the point of getting huge & ripped if you don't learn how to maintain it on your off time? It's irresponsible & will eventually lead to a massive crash.

 

[Micro]

I was thinking of running tren and test c for like 12 weeks.
Use anadrol to kick start.
Halotestin for strength.
Clen two weeks off two weeks on throughout
And end with Anavar (var)
What do you think?

You need to run low dose test and maybe some Anavar (var) and diet your ass off. Stay away from all that drol and halo you don't need that stuff. If you really have your mind set on it and you really want to run tren the you could add 50mg Ed. But like I said you need to really diet.

Wks 1-10: 50mg Prop 50mg tren a ed
Wks 1-8: 60mg Anavar (var) ed

You can run your Clen in there also.

Very simple and effective

Diet Cardio Diet Cardio Diet Cardio

 

[KingPen]

If your 5'10 203 lbs at 30%bf and you have done 4 cycles.. yikes. Your diet must be complete shit. Steroids don't cut you down.. that would be your diet. You seems to have some huge misconception about steroids my friend, I personally don't think you should be cycling at all.

 

[therealsilverback]

If your 5'10 203 lbs at 30%bf and you have done 4 cycles.. yikes. Your diet must be complete shit. Steroids don't cut you down.. that would be your diet. You seems to have some huge misconception about steroids my friend, I personally don't think you should be cycling at all.

Ok well I guess i am not gonna get anywhere till I explain more.
I was jipped and tricked by a lot of people and I would euther have bad fear or low doses or from different sources of different potency.

I had a trainer who was a pro compeditor and i paid him thousands of dollars trustinf him but that was messed up too. My last cycle was the actual one where I had my new source all set up and available. So i ran test c for 12 weeks and usedwinstrol in the end for a month.

So what I am trying to say is I went through a lot of shit but I just couldnt cucle properly, now whats done iis done I need to move on and do better.

 

[therealsilverback]

You need to run low dose test and maybe some Anavar (var) and diet your ass off. Stay away from all that drol and halo you don't need that stuff. If you really have your mind set on it and you really want to run tren the you could add 50mg Ed. But like I said you need to really diet.

Wks 1-10: 50mg Prop 50mg tren a ed
Wks 1-8: 60mg Anavar (var) ed

You can run your Clen in there also.

Very simple and effective

Diet Cardio Diet Cardio Diet Cardio

Thank you for that helpful reply. I really appreciate it.
Well I haverun 750 mg test c a week before so is 350 of propanol a week too weak a dose?
Why did you choose test prop over test c?

Oh and I wanted to use anadrol cus I have heard super things about it but just that its hard to keep the results

 

[J_Fox23]

I think you need to stay out of the steroid forum for a while and stay in the diet section homie. Stay far away from gear until you cut down big time and can maintain at keeping your weight down. Post up pics and we can give you a better guesstimate on your bf%.

 

[KingPen]

Ok well I guess i am not gonna get anywhere till I explain more.
I was jipped and tricked by a lot of people and I would euther have bad fear or low doses or from different sources of different potency.

I had a trainer who was a pro compeditor and i paid him thousands of dollars trustinf him but that was messed up too. My last cycle was the actual one where I had my new source all set up and available. So i ran test c for 12 weeks and usedwinstrol in the end for a month.

So what I am trying to say is I went through a lot of shit but I just couldnt cucle properly, now whats done iis done I need to move on and do better.

That doesn't change your body composition, lack of diet, most likely lack of training , and knowledge to properly use AAS. Not trying to put you down here at all, just trying to help you. The truth may not always be what you may want it to be.

 

[Rastas]

Listen to KingPen.

 

[bigkit34]

Anadrol and halo on a tren cutting cycle? Your gonna hurt yourself

 

[Micro]

Thank you for that helpful reply. I really appreciate it.
Well I haverun 750 mg test c a week before so is 350 of propanol a week too weak a dose?
Why did you choose test prop over test c?

Oh and I wanted to use anadrol cus I have heard super things about it but just that its hard to keep the results

I'm not one to tell someone to not do gear because you know what,? They are going to do it away so I would just try to help and give the best advise I know instead if them taking a shit load gear and gear they shouldn't take.

The cycle I gave is low dose simple and great for trying to lose weight. It'll help you maintain muscle while being in a very stick diet that you definitely have to do. But remember the gear isn't going to make you lose weight.

 

[Micro]

Also if your trying to lose weight you don't need all that test and to tell you the truth you can cut up on any type if gear. But since this is your 4 cycle it obvious the first 3 weren't very productive in choosing the right gear and diet.

And like others have said you should really get your body fat down because taking gear, you'll get more out of it.

 

[Frank White]

Wow...and that's all i have to say.